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you're in the para cast the gold

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standard of paranormal radio and now

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here's gene Steinberg so Chris will be

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with us in a moment or two but we're

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going to explore the road to strange

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travel tales of the paranormal and

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beyond and we're looking back rosemary

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ellen guiley welcome back to the para

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cast and michael brian will be joining

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us a little bit later he's a co-author

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of the book and we're gonna find out

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what they did how they did it and how

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this whole thing got started it's also

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as you can see when you look at the book

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it's a collection of different articles

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from different people on these subjects

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and we'll find out how those selections

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were made and how this thing got started

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but right now rosemary you probably

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haven't kept up to date on every little

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nuance of it but we've had these stories

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here that I guess under the behest of

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former US Senator Harry Reid who was

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then Senate Majority Leader to have a

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pentagon based investigation into UFOs

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and that's gotten a bit of publicity I

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mean I extensive a man it's always like

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these extra stories that the Talking

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Heads on cable TV put on when they

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aren't covering budget battles Trump and

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all the other stuff that's happening how

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did you first hear about it I read the

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articles as they broke in the media I

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had a reaction that's probably similar

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to many people who have followed the

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field over the years it's well what's

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what's new about the reality of UFOs and

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what took you so long

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people have been having extraordinary

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experiences including commercial airline

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pilots military pilots astronauts people

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in everyday walks of life they've been

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having experiences for decades and

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decades we've had all kinds of studies

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one on top of another

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that either leave the mystery open or

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they bunk it all together this seems to

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be the latest wrinkle it's certainly a

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promising wrinkle but it's it's like

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they've decided to ask some questions

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about things that people already know

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are going on the thing that I wonder

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about here is if the US military or any

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branch for the government has top secret

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knowledge about UFOs they've captured

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UFOs say at Roswell or somewhere they've

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got the craft on ice they've got alien

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beings on ice they have all this smoking

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gun evidence why would you need to have

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a study well exactly gene and sometimes

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I think studies are just distractions

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let's get all excited about a study and

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the collection of data and then some

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vague results will will come out of that

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it gets people excited all over again

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and heaven knows the field of ufology

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has been rather slow even more abundant

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for quite some time we've had no big

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news this has been like a breath of

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fresh air to get people excited again

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you do have to ask if it's just more of

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the same same old business is it going

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to help something like disclosure well

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I've been of the opinion from a good

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number of years now that a disclosure is

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not going to happen from the top down

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it's a bottom-up process that's already

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well underway and here again we don't

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need officials in the government to tell

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we the people of this planet what's been

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happening in terms of interaction with

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non-human life-forms

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well things also the bare mind here is

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that yes it could be a publicity thing

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but this is not something that happened

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now apparently it was finished by 2012

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of supposedly Senator Reid is pals with

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Robert Bigelow the hotel magnate who is

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also involved with Bigelow Aerospace and

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has an abiding interest in UFOs and has

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funded research so evidently he's

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involved here but again if they have

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solid evidence why go there also was

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there a compelling interest

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for this to happen now because it's not

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as you say as if UFOs are front and

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center and even after it happened after

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he got all this publicity the New York

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Times ran this story the wire services

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Politico everything as I said it's still

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not a top ten story well exactly I was

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wondering what the connection might be

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if any between that and Tom belongs to

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the stars Academy announcement a few

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months ago which many people viewed as

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kind of in kind of a ho-hum way they

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didn't get all that excited about it but

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the rumblings are that we're going to

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have increasing disclosure oriented news

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coming out regarding the alien presence

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on earth I'm expecting a lot of it to be

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couched in negative terms not positive

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and we'll be seeing more programming

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films and things like that so it could

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be part of an overall mass consciousness

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conditioning program to condition people

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keep conditioning them to the alien

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presence on earth so this is what we

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would call gradual disclosure just the

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same way we learn about more and more

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possible life-bearing planets in our

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galaxy because they are within the

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so-called Goldilocks zone or whatever

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these exoplanets while they can harbor

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possible life and maybe it's life as we

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know it maybe there's intelligent life

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maybe they're coming here but that may

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also be part of the natural development

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of science and it's really hard to tell

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and the thing I wonder about here is we

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all talk about Tom DeLonge in the world

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of the paranormal and I guess anybody

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who's a fan of blink-182 might be

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interested but to most people oh he's

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just another eccentric rock millionaire

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who decided to indulge himself into

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chasing after flying saucers so the

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question I have here is how does this

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what we see now expand itself in the

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general knowledge or is it just the

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constant feeding of information so one

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day the truth is out there but

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was no real big reaction because it was

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accepted so gradually I I don't think we

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know exactly where this particular

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latest round is going yet and I think

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you're probably right that this gradual

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feed and conditioning of consciousness

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is something that's going to be so

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subtle and happen over such a long

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period of time that suddenly we'll we

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will have arrived at some sort of status

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concerning the alien presence on earth

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and there is an alien presence on earth

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well we will have arrived at some

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knowledge of it without realizing how we

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got there you know there's a very active

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debate in the para caste forums as to

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whether UFOs are really extraterrestrial

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or something else I don't know if you

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have even had the time to check those

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things out but as an active debate a lot

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of pro and con there's a theory by some

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people including our old friend Greg

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Bishop for whom you know I believe where

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he's talking about a co-creation theory

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that there is something happening but we

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are part of the process of creating what

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we perceive I agree with that viewpoint

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I've had that viewpoint for a long time

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I started my full-time career

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investigating these topics paranormal

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UFOs cryptids the metaphysical side of

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things too back in the early 80s and

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we're calling extraterrestrial is

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probably not offworld it's probably

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interdimensional it's probably from

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something attached to the earth but

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vibrating at a different rate that would

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qualify it as a parallel dimension so to

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extraterrestrial visitations that's

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certainly not out of the realm of

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possibility but I think we need to come

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up with another term besides

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extraterrestrial because they're

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they're probably wrote from right here

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they're probably interdimensional

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and then on the other question of it

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about co-creation I have over the past

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years gone deeper and deeper and into an

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exploration of the role of human

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consciousness and all of our

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extraordinary experiences whether it's a

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with an alien and a ship and we are of

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course inextricably bound up in the

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experience ourselves we can never be

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completely separate observers we have

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rosemary ellen guiley and we'll be

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do you think rosemary that maybe with

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the UFO phenomenon and what we see that

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all these mysteries are really really

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interrelated and we're seeing different

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angles of the same thing it's quite

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likely gene all of these phenomena

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interrelated in some way it's six

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degrees of separation or less that's for

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sure

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and I think that our human consciousness

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both the individual and mass

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consciousness and play a significant

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role in terms of what we experience and

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how we experience it in many respects

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you could make the argument that we

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co-create the phenomena we experience

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and Carl Jung made that case several

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decades ago in the early 1950s and his

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essay on flying saucers he called them a

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modern myth that they could be

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projections of the cuman consciousness

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that was expressing anxiety or fear of

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the unknown

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a lot of our extraordinary experiences

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bring us face to face with the unknown

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and for human beings there's often a

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fear factor there as we evolve through

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history and we have changes in our

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technology and cultural and religious

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spiritual beliefs what we project

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outward is likely to change

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ergo yesterday's fairies become today's

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extraterrestrials and I think there's a

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lot to that argument we cannot separate

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ourselves from all of these phenomena

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and so that raises some questions about

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well are there ever then discrete

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entirely separate beings from elsewhere

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in their own right who come and visit

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people that seems to be the case that

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there are visiting beings from other

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realities and I have to

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other realities rather than planets or

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worlds because we don't know where

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they're from we also don't know enough

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about human consciousness to be able to

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ascertain just how much we are shaping

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the reality we are experiencing you see

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sometimes I wonder here if we have kind

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of a floating reality that as we

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understand more of what's going on the

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reality expands itself to address that

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and as far as UFOs are concerned I'm

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thinking here a hundred years from now

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we may have strange things going on but

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we may look at them with an entirely

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different perspective any suggestions

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about both of these things I suspect

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that we will that our perspective a

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century from now is going to be much

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different and in fact we could be

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looking back on ourselves today thinking

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that we were rather primitive and

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misinformed the same way we look back

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several hundred years and look at the

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fairy beliefs that people held and we're

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very convinced about those realities

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human consciousness is expanding and

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changing reality our experiences

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themselves expand our consciousness and

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shift reality and I've called this

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process for some years the emergence of

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trans reality earth the earth of the

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future and it could even be within a few

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decades not several hundreds of years

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but maybe even a few decades because we

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are changing at such a fast rate the

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reality is going to be much different

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where we will have more experiences and

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encounters with spirits with non-human

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kinds of beings we will perceive reality

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in a much different way we will be

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outside of linear time there will be a

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blurring of what we now perceive as

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boundaries between realities our reality

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is very fixed thanks to consensus and

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yet we have these breakthroughs of

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extraordinary experiences that show us

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that there's something else out there

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and how do we fit it into this fixed

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reality

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going to become a lot more fluid to me

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that's

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other exciting it also requires people

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to be prepared for those changes because

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you can't go into an expansion of

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reality from fear based mindsets so when

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the media is constantly portraying these

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things in a fearful sort of way that

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reinforces how we think about these

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sorts of phenomena and that in turn can

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impact the kinds of experiences we have

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in our ability to assimilate them why do

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they want to make us fear so much well

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from a conspiracy point of view when you

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have people in fear they're much easier

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to control and if there are elitist

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forces on the planet conspiracy is not

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something I've delved into real deeply

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but it makes sense to me that there

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would be various factions and elements

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of corporations and politicians

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governments consortiums bloodlines who

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knows what that would want to keep the

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upper hand on everything you control the

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masses by instilling fear in them

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because when they're fearful then you

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present solutions to them or you limit

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them in some way

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we have some of that fear-based

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limitation going on since 9/11 in this

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country where we've seen a steady

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erosion of basically civil rights

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freedoms of movement in the name of

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security and every time there is some

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mass attack somewhere and sometimes I

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think these attacks are purposely

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planned for the purpose of generating

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fear then the questions arise well what

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are you going to give up so that you can

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be safer and we should not have to give

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up anything we should not have to be

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documented up one side and down the

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other we should not have probes under

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our skin monitoring our movements we

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shouldn't have anything like that

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there's nothing we should have to give

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up but that's what's happening right

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under our noses separating the

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conspiracy theories involved here and

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possible attempts to assume greater

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control over our affairs by making us

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afraid you have a lot to fear all this

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fear mongering do you think there are

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physical spaceships

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with physical beings from some other

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world coming here or is that also mixed

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up with all this other stuff we wouldn't

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even know my opinion of at least the

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craft that we have experienced today

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they're really more para physical than

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physical because they exhibit

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characteristics that go beyond known

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reality and I don't think it's just

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super technology I think that they have

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characteristics that are not limited to

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to what we know in in physical reality

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in terms of shape-shifting being able to

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travel the timeline more from one thing

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into another and the beings that occupy

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these vessels may be similar in nature

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very very fluid able to assume forms

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that seem physical but yet can become

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non-physical and we have the same sort

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of thing going on in the paranormal

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where entities can seem very physical

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and exert physical force in an

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environment and yet in an instant they

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can disappear or turn into vapor or

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something like that that nobody can

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explain naturally I rather think that

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the the crafts are pair of physical I

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don't rule out physical crafts like our

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airplanes for example and our spacecraft

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but it seems to me that what we've had

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penetrating our reality from these other

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realities is something that is neither

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of this world nor of another world if

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you know what I mean it's a big kind of

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straddle interdimensional realities got

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to do our break here rosemary ellen

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we got rosemary ellen guiley joining us

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and a little bit later her co-author for

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the book the road to strange Michael

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Bryan will join us in the meantime we're

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talking about obviously the Pentagon's

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secret UFO thing about reality about

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what UFOs might be about physical things

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now there was that comment years ago

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that we paraphrase you know any

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sufficiently advanced technology would

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be to us like magic and it could be here

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do you think maybe if we are being

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visited by beings hundreds or thousands

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of years ahead of us that the things

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they do part of their advanced

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technology would be to us magical or

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power physical or something else we

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would certainly perceive it that way

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because it would not perform they would

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not perform and their craft would not

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perform to any known laws that we have

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and I don't think that we would look at

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it as magical per se like people did

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hundreds of years ago we would consider

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them to have a more advanced technology

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but it's it's very much in the same vein

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as magical it's something that that is

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beyond the natural explanation of the

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day and we've certainly have been

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subjected to that now my co-author

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Michael Bryan and I we're getting ready

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to release another book on UFOs another

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road to strange book on UFOs aliens and

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high strangeness and we have many cases

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in there of people having experiences

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with what seemed to be pair of physical

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craft encounters with aliens many times

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these encounters make no sense according

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to two natural laws there seems to be a

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big trickster factor there and why is

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that we explore that we get into

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expansions of time

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and we keep coming back Jean - what has

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become a mantra and ufology I know what

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I saw and no matter what the skeptics

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say no matter what crazy explanations

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they come up with whether it's swamp gas

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or reflected light off squid boats or

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whatever people who are experienced errs

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know the truth of what happened now

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there has been an argument over that

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name I know what I saw which was a title

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of movie documentary and the argument is

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that yes they saw something strange but

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they don't know what it is or what it

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was so I know I saw something strange

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but because I saw something strange

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doesn't mean I have any idea what I saw

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well this is very true because all

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experience is subjective it has to be

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interpreted by the experiencer against a

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backdrop of their culture their time in

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history their personal beliefs their

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religious beliefs

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for example if something seems like an

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alien and they have no knowledge of ETS

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or believe in ETS are they going to

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think that it's ETS are they going to

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interpret it some other way well we have

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examples even in the et literature of

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people initially calling beings angels

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because that's how they interpreted them

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but the bigger point beyond that as we

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grapple with how do we define what we

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experience and researchers I think find

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value and looking for patterns to see

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what common ground people share but yes

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one person's fairy is another person's

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angel is another person's et but the the

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big thing is they had an extraordinary

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experience that did not fit explained

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reality and when the debunkers come in

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they want to explain it all away in

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terms of natural reality they want to

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tell you

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your wild imagination must have been the

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beer you had you were daydreaming there

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is this one case well it was the New

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Zealand UFO case from the 1970s a very

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famous film footage shot where a crew

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went up in an airplane to recreate

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footage for a documentary about a

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dramatic sighting and they in turn have

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a sighting themselves and they capture

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very dramatic footage of it and what are

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the government people do they say well

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you were just looking at reflected light

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off squid boats below I mean it's that

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kind of crazy stuff that infuriates

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experiencers because it's it's like the

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debunkers want to deny that you had any

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experience at all and that's the wrong

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approach the approach we should be

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taking is yes you had an experience now

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let's try to figure out what did you

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experience well that only makes logical

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sense instead of saying to a person well

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you're crazy or you saw swamp casts but

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even dr. J Allen Hynek loop down the

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swamp guess it is what do you sing but

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the thing I guess that some of us argue

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is we shouldn't make final assumptions

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we're still researching this thing we

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don't understand everything about it yet

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obviously a lot of things can be said in

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terms of extraterrestrials possibly

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being here that seem logical but at the

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end we don't have a smoking gun we don't

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have an IFO an identified flying object

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we have a UFO we have lots of mysteries

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that are very compelling and as you say

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lots of people experience things and you

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can't tell them nothing happened you

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could suggest what might have happened

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and I know that one thing we've talked

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about occasionally here in terms of UFOs

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or UFO abductions and the similarity

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between those and near-death experiences

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but it comes down to the same thing

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weird things are happening sometimes

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frightening things what's happening to

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these people are they all lucky well I

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don't think so I've talked to enough

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people you've talked to quite a bit more

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I'm sure do you think though

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what's happening now with this story

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about the Pentagon UFO thing and

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everything is that just gonna be another

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red herring and it'll disappear from the

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news in a few months or do you think

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it's going to be an ongoing thing I

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think it's too early to tell I have a

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rather dismal opinion of these kinds of

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stories just based on the track record

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we've we've seen in earlier times where

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there's a flurry of interest or

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something and then it just all dies away

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but something really is going on gene

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that's part of a big effort to condition

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mass consciousness and this has been

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going on for a long time but I think

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there's a push now to maybe intensify it

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or increase it and this could be part of

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that so maybe it's only purpose is to

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generate some interest and that on the

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heels of this will come something else

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that's going to be the real action as

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year or two rosemary I think it's been a

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lot of work and this new book let's get

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into that right now and we'll really get

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more into it as Michael Bryan joins us

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later the road to strange how did that

920
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get started well it started over a lunch

921
00:41:58,150 --> 00:41:54,830
with me and Michael

922
00:42:00,720 --> 00:41:58,160
and many people ufology may remember

923
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:00,730
Michael he was quite active in the field

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for some time and he was even known as

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the ambassador of MUFON for quite a

926
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while Michael has had a longtime

927
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interest in all things strange including

928
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:17,360
UFOs in fact that's where I got to know

929
00:42:22,210 --> 00:42:20,480
Michael years and years ago I met him at

930
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:22,220
the conferences I would go to all the

931
00:42:29,290 --> 00:42:25,370
UFO conferences and that's how we struck

932
00:42:30,970 --> 00:42:29,300
up an acquaintance ship and he dropped

933
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:30,980
in he didn't really drop out of the

934
00:42:36,730 --> 00:42:32,810
field but he stopped going to a lot of

935
00:42:39,850 --> 00:42:36,740
events and so did I and circumstances

936
00:42:43,930 --> 00:42:39,860
came about that I discovered that he was

937
00:42:46,270 --> 00:42:43,940
now relocated to Bainbridge Island just

938
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:46,280
across the Puget Sound from Seattle and

939
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:48,050
I go out to Seattle every summer to

940
00:42:52,870 --> 00:42:51,200
spend time with my family there and so

941
00:42:56,290 --> 00:42:52,880
we decided to get together and catch up

942
00:43:00,840 --> 00:42:56,300
and that's when I learned about his

943
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:00,850
treasure chest of unusual travel stories

944
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:03,530
Michael calls himself the travel

945
00:43:09,370 --> 00:43:06,170
psychologist and he literally coined the

946
00:43:11,260 --> 00:43:09,380
term there is a psychology of travel and

947
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:11,270
how people are affected by their

948
00:43:16,300 --> 00:43:14,330
experiences and over the years he had

949
00:43:18,070 --> 00:43:16,310
interviewed thousands of people about

950
00:43:20,740 --> 00:43:18,080
their travel experiences some of them

951
00:43:23,080 --> 00:43:20,750
rather mundane like you know how do you

952
00:43:25,930 --> 00:43:23,090
avoid pickpockets and you know things

953
00:43:29,590 --> 00:43:25,940
like that how do you survive this and

954
00:43:34,690 --> 00:43:29,600
that in in strange cities but many of

955
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:34,700
the stories were unusual in nature

956
00:43:40,330 --> 00:43:37,130
so we thought that it would make an

957
00:43:42,700 --> 00:43:40,340
interesting collection about how people

958
00:43:46,530 --> 00:43:42,710
encounter the unknown when they least

959
00:43:49,570 --> 00:43:46,540
expected now in looking at these stories

960
00:43:52,510 --> 00:43:49,580
these are people from all walks of life

961
00:43:54,460 --> 00:43:52,520
going places all over the world Mike

962
00:43:57,790 --> 00:43:54,470
goes quite the international traveler

963
00:44:01,420 --> 00:43:57,800
and they didn't set out to have UFO

964
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:01,430
experiences or missing time or ghosts

965
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:04,370
and hauntings or anything like that they

966
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:06,170
were just out on a trip it was a

967
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:08,690
business trip it was a vacation they

968
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were just having a good time and

969
00:44:17,020 --> 00:44:13,400
suddenly reality is shattered or

970
00:44:20,350 --> 00:44:17,030
intruded upon by the unknown and for

971
00:44:22,240 --> 00:44:20,360
some people it's a big shake-up many

972
00:44:25,180 --> 00:44:22,250
people for example don't believe in

973
00:44:27,100 --> 00:44:25,190
ghosts and so if they go someplace and a

974
00:44:29,950 --> 00:44:27,110
ghost visits them in their bedroom in a

975
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:29,960
dramatic way well that can really alter

976
00:44:35,740 --> 00:44:32,650
the vacation you thought you were taking

977
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:35,750
so what we did with the road too strange

978
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:39,410
was to collect stories in different

979
00:44:45,730 --> 00:44:42,620
categories just as examples of how

980
00:44:47,500 --> 00:44:45,740
people encounter the unknown and how

981
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:47,510
they're changed by how do they explain

982
00:44:52,540 --> 00:44:50,090
it to themselves how are they changed by

983
00:44:55,540 --> 00:44:52,550
it if they are at all and every story

984
00:44:58,420 --> 00:44:55,550
has commentary at the end where we look

985
00:44:59,940 --> 00:44:58,430
at the story and say well how do we

986
00:45:04,690 --> 00:44:59,950
explain this are their natural

987
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:04,700
explanations of the paranormal phenomena

988
00:45:09,130 --> 00:45:06,650
kinds of things that happen what are

989
00:45:10,810 --> 00:45:09,140
they called and what the researchers

990
00:45:13,410 --> 00:45:10,820
know about them so we try to put every

991
00:45:16,750 --> 00:45:13,420
story in a context so that it becomes

992
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:16,760
illuminating for the reader and it's

993
00:45:20,350 --> 00:45:18,770
it's a fascinating collection we have

994
00:45:23,350 --> 00:45:20,360
encounters with the dead

995
00:45:25,900 --> 00:45:23,360
we have mystical visions missing time we

996
00:45:27,460 --> 00:45:25,910
have downloads a lot of ghosts and

997
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:27,470
hauntings that's probably the most

998
00:45:34,060 --> 00:45:32,000
common kind of experience and it makes

999
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:34,070
for a real page-turner what's

1000
00:45:38,850 --> 00:45:35,930
interesting here is one thing you say

1001
00:45:41,620 --> 00:45:38,860
that when these things happen people

1002
00:45:44,620 --> 00:45:41,630
aren't going into it expecting to see a

1003
00:45:45,250 --> 00:45:44,630
ghost or a UFO it comes right out of

1004
00:45:47,370 --> 00:45:45,260
left field

1005
00:45:49,049 --> 00:45:47,380
in fact I wonder sometimes

1006
00:45:51,269 --> 00:45:49,059
you look too hard to find something you

1007
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:51,279
won't see it well that's often the case

1008
00:45:55,049 --> 00:45:53,049
I mean just look at all the Bigfoot

1009
00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:55,059
hunts I've been out on Bigfoot hunts and

1010
00:46:00,710 --> 00:45:57,970
it seems that the harder you look for

1011
00:46:02,759 --> 00:46:00,720
Bigfoot the more elusive Bigfoot is and

1012
00:46:04,289 --> 00:46:02,769
it's the same with paranormal

1013
00:46:06,539 --> 00:46:04,299
investigation which I've done for

1014
00:46:08,249 --> 00:46:06,549
decades now yeah I mean yes you can have

1015
00:46:11,039 --> 00:46:08,259
a real active night and a lot of things

1016
00:46:13,019 --> 00:46:11,049
will happen but sometimes you go looking

1017
00:46:15,079 --> 00:46:13,029
for the phenomena that you know are

1018
00:46:17,430 --> 00:46:15,089
there because they've been reported and

1019
00:46:19,769 --> 00:46:17,440
they're like cats that hide under the

1020
00:46:21,630 --> 00:46:19,779
bed you know they just disappear on you

1021
00:46:24,359 --> 00:46:21,640
to me that's one of the beauties and the

1022
00:46:26,910 --> 00:46:24,369
strengths of this book is that we didn't

1023
00:46:29,249 --> 00:46:26,920
for example interview paranormal

1024
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:29,259
investigators who were out looking for

1025
00:46:34,049 --> 00:46:31,089
this stuff now I have one paranormal

1026
00:46:36,299 --> 00:46:34,059
investigation story in the book and it's

1027
00:46:38,970 --> 00:46:36,309
one of my own and I included it because

1028
00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:38,980
of the photograph it's the most unusual

1029
00:46:45,269 --> 00:46:42,190
ghost photograph that I have ever taken

1030
00:46:47,490 --> 00:46:45,279
in all of my years of investigation and

1031
00:46:49,980 --> 00:46:47,500
it came from a haunted bed-and-breakfast

1032
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:49,990
in Gettysburg I was there with a group

1033
00:46:54,509 --> 00:46:52,390
of paranormal investigators we had

1034
00:46:58,440 --> 00:46:54,519
rented out the entire bed-and-breakfast

1035
00:47:00,480 --> 00:46:58,450
and we were doing our research for EVPs

1036
00:47:03,180 --> 00:47:00,490
electronic voice phenomena we were out

1037
00:47:04,890 --> 00:47:03,190
on the battlefield and we were hoping to

1038
00:47:07,769 --> 00:47:04,900
collect phenomena

1039
00:47:10,460 --> 00:47:07,779
I took random photographs of the grounds

1040
00:47:13,859 --> 00:47:10,470
in my room I I did have noises

1041
00:47:16,529 --> 00:47:13,869
unaccounted noises going on in in the

1042
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:16,539
carriage house where I was staying there

1043
00:47:21,630 --> 00:47:18,490
were very typical of haunting phenomena

1044
00:47:24,329 --> 00:47:21,640
but one of the pictures I took showed

1045
00:47:26,670 --> 00:47:24,339
two images of a male and a female they

1046
00:47:29,789 --> 00:47:26,680
looked like a boy and a girl or maybe a

1047
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:29,799
boy and his young mother very clearly

1048
00:47:39,720 --> 00:47:35,140
staring out from one of the window areas

1049
00:47:43,289 --> 00:47:39,730
and it was not just weird reflections on

1050
00:47:45,720 --> 00:47:43,299
the glass that's the common argument

1051
00:47:48,839 --> 00:47:45,730
that skeptics make is that well it's

1052
00:47:52,109 --> 00:47:48,849
it's a pattern that your brain is trying

1053
00:47:54,810 --> 00:47:52,119
to fit into something you want to see no

1054
00:47:58,820 --> 00:47:54,820
this is very clear and

1055
00:48:02,130 --> 00:47:58,830
I wondered if they were residual

1056
00:48:06,540 --> 00:48:02,140
energies if they had once stayed at this

1057
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:06,550
old farmhouse if they had lived in in

1058
00:48:11,730 --> 00:48:09,970
the wartime era certainly not every

1059
00:48:14,550 --> 00:48:11,740
ghost in Gettysburg is going to be from

1060
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:14,560
the war but these two were dressed in

1061
00:48:22,470 --> 00:48:18,010
19th century period clothing and it just

1062
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:22,480
astonished me and so I did include that

1063
00:48:28,070 --> 00:48:25,330
story in the book the rest of the

1064
00:48:32,420 --> 00:48:28,080
stories were people who were startled

1065
00:48:35,460 --> 00:48:32,430
and some of them in a kind of a holy cow

1066
00:48:38,490 --> 00:48:35,470
sort of way when when things happen to

1067
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:38,500
them unexpectedly putting these stories

1068
00:48:44,310 --> 00:48:42,010
together did you find any evidence we

1069
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:44,320
have to address the skepticism and our

1070
00:48:50,250 --> 00:48:48,010
audience that we see did you at all find

1071
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:50,260
anyone who's just making things up and

1072
00:49:03,690 --> 00:49:00,810
hoaxing is always a tough question for

1073
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:03,700
paranormal investigators because there's

1074
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:07,020
always some hoaxing that goes on and

1075
00:49:13,860 --> 00:49:10,810
usually it happens in cases where people

1076
00:49:16,950 --> 00:49:13,870
are trying to sort of send you up you

1077
00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:16,960
know where they will approach a known

1078
00:49:24,510 --> 00:49:20,250
paranormal investigator with a story and

1079
00:49:27,720 --> 00:49:24,520
hopes that they they sell it as real so

1080
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:27,730
to speak or if there's like a wave of

1081
00:49:33,060 --> 00:49:30,130
activity like we've had a wave of

1082
00:49:35,370 --> 00:49:33,070
sightings of flying humanoids in Chicago

1083
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:35,380
this year and there has been some

1084
00:49:40,170 --> 00:49:38,650
hoaxing of reported sightings in regard

1085
00:49:41,940 --> 00:49:40,180
to that being is simply because it's

1086
00:49:44,450 --> 00:49:41,950
gotten so much media attention there's

1087
00:49:47,820 --> 00:49:44,460
always somebody who wants to kind of

1088
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:47,830
muck things up a bit there's no hard and

1089
00:49:53,700 --> 00:49:51,280
fast telltale signs Jean and over the

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years I think investigators just kind of

1091
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rely on their gut instincts of what

1092
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strikes them as genuine there are

1093
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:03,089
certain what I would call hallmarks to

1094
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extraordinary encounters of all kinds

1095
00:50:12,529 --> 00:50:10,349
that fit into a broad pattern and if

1096
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things get too much out of that pattern

1097
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sometimes it's me the case of overdoing

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it

1099
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good too detailed does too many physical

1100
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things for example apparitions most

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ghosts are residual their leftover

1102
00:50:45,739 --> 00:50:43,109
imprints their bag sometimes they they

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00:50:49,819 --> 00:50:45,749
have the ability to in a flash of a

1104
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:49,829
second look solid to people but if

1105
00:50:54,979 --> 00:50:52,170
things are too Hollywood for example

1106
00:50:58,160 --> 00:50:54,989
because Hollywood over exaggerate

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00:51:00,559 --> 00:50:58,170
and so if objects are thrown around and

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00:51:03,559 --> 00:51:00,569
people are thrown around and levitated

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00:51:06,019 --> 00:51:03,569
and that those are red flags not that

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00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,029
they couldn't happen but they're not

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real likely to happen it's a case then

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of maybe the fact that Hollywood is

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going to compress events even in a

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biography so it fits within two hours

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plus or minus if they're trying to be

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too much like Hollywood you suspected

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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here's Jane Steinberg oh sorry ellen

1173
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guiley and i are talking about the road

1174
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to strange and some of the case

1175
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:18,710
histories but also how to possibly

1176
00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:22,220
recognize when someone tries to fake it

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00:54:30,580 --> 00:54:26,090
an example one hallmark of a liar may be

1178
00:54:31,930 --> 00:54:30,590
someone who tries to be too specific too

1179
00:54:34,900 --> 00:54:31,940
dramatic

1180
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:34,910
perhaps because they've watched a lot of

1181
00:54:41,590 --> 00:54:38,960
paranormal reality shows and and films

1182
00:54:43,930 --> 00:54:41,600
which exaggerate things all of those

1183
00:54:47,470 --> 00:54:43,940
reality shows even the ones that are

1184
00:54:49,990 --> 00:54:47,480
quote-unquote based on true stories they

1185
00:54:51,790 --> 00:54:50,000
have to exaggerate some things even make

1186
00:54:54,790 --> 00:54:51,800
them up in order to make the stories

1187
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:54,800
entertaining and interesting I just saw

1188
00:55:00,760 --> 00:54:57,050
one recently where I'm not going to name

1189
00:55:03,130 --> 00:55:00,770
the show or the story but this really

1190
00:55:05,859 --> 00:55:03,140
jumped out at me and and it was a couple

1191
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:05,869
who had purchased a house and it turned

1192
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:08,810
out to be very badly haunted there'd

1193
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:11,119
been a murder that had taken place in

1194
00:55:17,109 --> 00:55:14,210
the house so the show shows them one

1195
00:55:20,620 --> 00:55:17,119
night the two of them being levitated

1196
00:55:24,580 --> 00:55:20,630
together up off the bed that is highly

1197
00:55:26,349 --> 00:55:24,590
highly unlikely and unusual and when you

1198
00:55:28,180 --> 00:55:26,359
listen to their description neither one

1199
00:55:30,220 --> 00:55:28,190
of them says they were levitated off the

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00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:30,230
bed they said they both had an

1201
00:55:35,140 --> 00:55:32,420
experience in their bedroom where they

1202
00:55:37,030 --> 00:55:35,150
saw a black mass and experienced the

1203
00:55:39,609 --> 00:55:37,040
same thing but they never ever said they

1204
00:55:43,060 --> 00:55:39,619
were levitated and so you know this is

1205
00:55:45,099 --> 00:55:43,070
how the program makes it more

1206
00:55:47,470 --> 00:55:45,109
interesting to the viewer

1207
00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:47,480
well somebody who's trying to hoax a

1208
00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:50,330
story usually doesn't know a lot about

1209
00:55:55,200 --> 00:55:52,910
real paranormal experiences and so they

1210
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:55,210
incorporate a lot of these over

1211
00:56:01,390 --> 00:55:57,680
exaggerated characteristics into their

1212
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:01,400
story that can be a giveaway it's an

1213
00:56:07,900 --> 00:56:04,420
inexact art trying to size up witnesses

1214
00:56:11,599 --> 00:56:07,910
many times the witness

1215
00:56:13,490 --> 00:56:11,609
they are very reluctant to tell their

1216
00:56:16,370 --> 00:56:13,500
stories because they're afraid of being

1217
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:16,380
ridiculed people who come forward too

1218
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:19,849
easily with hugely dramatic stories

1219
00:56:24,890 --> 00:56:22,260
you'd want to look at them a little more

1220
00:56:27,019 --> 00:56:24,900
carefully again I used to know somebody

1221
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:27,029
and I won't mention that person's name

1222
00:56:32,029 --> 00:56:28,770
now because most people will not have

1223
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:32,039
heard it but he did the same thing he

1224
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:34,020
was trying to get us involved in a

1225
00:56:39,650 --> 00:56:36,930
scheme and in retrospect I realized one

1226
00:56:42,230 --> 00:56:39,660
of the tell-tale pieces of evidence of

1227
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:42,240
deception was that everything he would

1228
00:56:47,210 --> 00:56:45,569
tell us had such exquisite detail like

1229
00:56:49,940 --> 00:56:47,220
he was trying to read it from a novel

1230
00:56:53,960 --> 00:56:49,950
and of course we don't do things that

1231
00:56:57,740 --> 00:56:53,970
way interesting to know most encounters

1232
00:57:00,559 --> 00:56:57,750
with spirits and beings most of them

1233
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:00,569
they happen very quickly and so your

1234
00:57:07,519 --> 00:57:04,230
recall of that is going to have a lot of

1235
00:57:09,950 --> 00:57:07,529
holes in it you might remember certain

1236
00:57:10,819 --> 00:57:09,960
things about an appearance but not

1237
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:10,829
everything

1238
00:57:21,010 --> 00:57:15,150
and so when appearances get really

1239
00:57:23,750 --> 00:57:21,020
sketched in and there might be extended

1240
00:57:27,370 --> 00:57:23,760
conversation now people do have

1241
00:57:30,529 --> 00:57:27,380
telepathic conversation with with beings

1242
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:30,539
and we've got some stories in in the

1243
00:57:38,180 --> 00:57:34,319
next book the alien book about that they

1244
00:57:40,190 --> 00:57:38,190
fall into the category of repetitive and

1245
00:57:44,500 --> 00:57:40,200
extended abductions and I think that's a

1246
00:57:47,620 --> 00:57:44,510
little different than the one offs but

1247
00:57:50,299 --> 00:57:47,630
it's hard to gauge sometime and

1248
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:50,309
sometimes and you know nobody wants to

1249
00:58:00,410 --> 00:57:55,230
be taken in by somebody who's who's made

1250
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:00,420
something up but the more Hollywood it

1251
00:58:06,650 --> 00:58:04,410
is the more careful you have to be now

1252
00:58:09,319 --> 00:58:06,660
the stories that Michael collected were

1253
00:58:10,849 --> 00:58:09,329
people he met on his travels and you

1254
00:58:13,789 --> 00:58:10,859
know he asked them to share anything

1255
00:58:16,430 --> 00:58:13,799
unusual that had happened to them

1256
00:58:19,190 --> 00:58:16,440
we've also solicited stories we put out

1257
00:58:19,460 --> 00:58:19,200
for example solicitations and social

1258
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:19,470
media

1259
00:58:24,440 --> 00:58:22,980
you had an unusual paranormal experience

1260
00:58:28,580 --> 00:58:24,450
we'd like to hear about it

1261
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:28,590
and the people who are motivated to

1262
00:58:39,260 --> 00:58:37,440
respond usually are genuine and they

1263
00:58:41,589 --> 00:58:39,270
kind of wonder sometimes they they want

1264
00:58:44,089 --> 00:58:41,599
to get something off their chests and

1265
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:44,099
they think you're a sympathetic ear and

1266
00:58:49,190 --> 00:58:45,930
you're not going to laugh at them and so

1267
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:49,200
so they will tell you they find you as

1268
00:58:55,099 --> 00:58:52,410
the victim I guess also people might

1269
00:58:56,720 --> 00:58:55,109
look at you as a possible mark because

1270
00:58:59,599 --> 00:58:56,730
you're active in the field maybe we can

1271
00:59:04,130 --> 00:58:59,609
fool her because they don't believe

1272
00:59:06,589 --> 00:59:04,140
themselves well this is a hazard for I

1273
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:06,599
think all researchers and investigators

1274
00:59:13,790 --> 00:59:10,410
like myself in the field the more

1275
00:59:17,109 --> 00:59:13,800
well-known you are the more people might

1276
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:17,119
want to try and trip you up or

1277
00:59:23,450 --> 00:59:20,490
quote-unquote sell you convinced you of

1278
00:59:26,060 --> 00:59:23,460
something that you know has no basis in

1279
00:59:33,320 --> 00:59:26,070
fact or has been heavily embroidered

1280
00:59:36,500 --> 00:59:33,330
I've had cases that I have received that

1281
00:59:38,180 --> 00:59:36,510
I just had the you know intuitive

1282
00:59:41,530 --> 00:59:38,190
feeling right off the bat that something

1283
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:41,540
was off about it something was not right

1284
00:59:47,570 --> 00:59:44,730
sometimes that emerges in follow-up

1285
00:59:50,690 --> 00:59:47,580
questioning and interviewing because

1286
00:59:53,540 --> 00:59:50,700
it's it's very hard for phony stories to

1287
00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:53,550
hold together they fall apart somewhere

1288
01:00:01,160 --> 00:59:57,690
and if you dig deep enough they will

1289
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:01,170
start falling apart well one way you

1290
01:00:05,810 --> 01:00:03,089
know let me ask you a quick question

1291
01:00:08,450 --> 01:00:05,820
here if it's something you can bring up

1292
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,460
readily what was possibly the craziest

1293
01:00:19,010 --> 01:00:11,640
hoax ever anyone ever tried to

1294
01:00:22,970 --> 01:00:19,020
perpetrate on you well I can't say that

1295
01:00:25,790 --> 01:00:22,980
I've had anything drama worthy headline

1296
01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:25,800
worthy I've certainly had people send me

1297
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:30,650
a lot of EVPs over the years that were

1298
01:00:37,630 --> 01:00:35,810
we faked and I don't think you need to

1299
01:00:41,140 --> 01:00:37,640
be a rocket scientist to figure out a

1300
01:00:46,810 --> 01:00:41,150
lot of them that the voices are too

1301
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:46,820
clear they have too much vocal cord

1302
01:00:56,350 --> 01:00:51,530
intonation to them and they the EVPs say

1303
01:00:58,690 --> 01:00:56,360
too much and that's probably one of the

1304
01:01:04,990 --> 01:00:58,700
worst photographs I'm being sent

1305
01:01:08,560 --> 01:01:05,000
photographs all the time and sometimes

1306
01:01:10,270 --> 01:01:08,570
it's it's a case of people you know they

1307
01:01:11,860 --> 01:01:10,280
really think they've got something and

1308
01:01:15,940 --> 01:01:11,870
then they're disappointed when I say

1309
01:01:20,710 --> 01:01:15,950
well I don't think so I think here's the

1310
01:01:22,330 --> 01:01:20,720
natural explanation for that but the

1311
01:01:25,090 --> 01:01:22,340
photographs are probably the biggest

1312
01:01:29,230 --> 01:01:25,100
hazard today because it's so easy to do

1313
01:01:32,380 --> 01:01:29,240
things with Photoshop and a skilled

1314
01:01:36,990 --> 01:01:32,390
person can hide a lot of tracks in

1315
01:01:42,100 --> 01:01:37,000
Photoshop but they're still giveaways

1316
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:42,110
things like hooded entities marching out

1317
01:01:49,780 --> 01:01:47,200
of doorways that are too well-defined

1318
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:49,790
most people don't realize that ghosts

1319
01:01:56,920 --> 01:01:53,090
and spirits don't really show hands and

1320
01:02:00,130 --> 01:01:56,930
feet so if you get an apparitional photo

1321
01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:00,140
that shows legs and shoes and things

1322
01:02:07,570 --> 01:02:05,870
like that it's probably fake and I would

1323
01:02:10,450 --> 01:02:07,580
say those are the most common things

1324
01:02:12,370 --> 01:02:10,460
I've gotten so I don't think anybody's

1325
01:02:13,180 --> 01:02:12,380
tried to set me up with a doozie at

1326
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:13,190
least not yet

1327
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:16,250
knock on wood well that's good to know

1328
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:17,690
that's good to know I used to know

1329
01:02:23,140 --> 01:02:21,170
somebody long time ago who perpetrated

1330
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:23,150
hoaxes but not very well I don't think

1331
01:02:30,850 --> 01:02:26,330
that was Jim Mosely remember him oh I do

1332
01:02:34,270 --> 01:02:30,860
yes and he and his pal gray Barker would

1333
01:02:38,050 --> 01:02:34,280
do some really really really strange

1334
01:02:39,790 --> 01:02:38,060
stuff and you know was sending letters

1335
01:02:41,829 --> 01:02:39,800
out I was faking photos they had

1336
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:41,839
something called the Lost Creek photo

1337
01:02:46,359 --> 01:02:44,209
and with such a stupid photo I think

1338
01:02:48,279 --> 01:02:46,369
they just took some kind of wire and

1339
01:02:51,609 --> 01:02:48,289
held a model in front of an

1340
01:02:55,059 --> 01:02:51,619
old-fashioned film camera to create a

1341
01:02:56,979 --> 01:02:55,069
photo of a UFO and four years after that

1342
01:02:57,549 --> 01:02:56,989
great Barca would go out and lecture

1343
01:03:00,219 --> 01:02:57,559
about it

1344
01:03:02,170 --> 01:03:00,229
Jim Mosely would lecture on it and

1345
01:03:07,209 --> 01:03:02,180
finally you know he confessed that it

1346
01:03:10,109 --> 01:03:07,219
was just sheer fakery but till then you

1347
01:03:13,630 --> 01:03:10,119
know you wonder did this have any value

1348
01:03:15,729 --> 01:03:13,640
anyone said to me the reason that they

1349
01:03:18,219 --> 01:03:15,739
do this other than just to get their

1350
01:03:20,859 --> 01:03:18,229
jollies off or something or because they

1351
01:03:23,380 --> 01:03:20,869
were drunk and had no real control over

1352
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:23,390
what they were doing it was mostly about

1353
01:03:28,329 --> 01:03:26,209
keeping the UFO field active at times

1354
01:03:29,529 --> 01:03:28,339
when there weren't many sightings well

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para cast comm we're joined now by

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rosemary ellen guiley his compatriot on

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the road to strange travel tales of the

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paranormal and beyond michael brian

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michael welcome to the power cast thank

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you can you tell our listeners briefly

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about your background and what led you

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to do this okay I carved a an

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interesting new niche in psychology I

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was a traditional graduate student on my

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way to becoming a clinical psychologist

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and I decided no I don't want to do that

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I had been bitten by the travel bug and

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I decided I wanted to make travel a

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major part of my life so I focused in

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psychology on the whole idea what travel

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is all about and what kind of effects it

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has on people how we affect other people

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in our travels how they affect us and I

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actually carved that niche into a PhD at

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the University of Hawaii okay are you

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the only one who I forgot that degree it

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was basically a social psychology degree

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but I focused in on all sorts of

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subjects that had to do with travel like

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intercultural communication nonverbal

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behavior human spatial behavior I began

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to study all sorts of things that take

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place when you travel and differences

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between your culture and other cultures

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so I just made that as a area of

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specialization then I went on over many

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years of teaching graduate and

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undergraduate courses mainly in

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psychology and business I went on to

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interviewing nearly 2,000 people

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collecting travel stories from anyone

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and just about anyone I could find in my

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travels and back home and I collected

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thousands of stories and that's how

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rosemary and I began to talk about

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a book series on some of these stories

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of things such as the paranormal so

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according to all these stories you got

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some we're just very conventional and

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some where they encountered word stuff

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now before we got involved in this did

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you have any particular opinion about

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this or was this something gosh that is

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weird

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that's a really good question because I

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had I'm going to say about maybe 5% of

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all the various stories that people told

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me about their travels I noticed that I

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01:10:41,470 --> 01:10:39,110
began to notice that they dealt with

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some of the paranormal sorts of subjects

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and rightly so because strange things

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happen to people when they travel

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because they're more open to it and so

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it's it's not strange at all to the coin

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a term here it's not unusual at all that

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people would share some of their

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paranormal kinds of experiences as

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interesting things that happen to them

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when they travel so basically because

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you're relaxed if you don't have the

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pressures of work one hopes you don't

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have your iPhone or Samsung constantly

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ringing in your ear you are sensitive to

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stuff like this I think that travel

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tends to open you up you begin to

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experiment more take more opportunities

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to do new things the pace is a lot

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faster and suddenly then new experiences

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can include those that are pretty

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strange now when did you decide with

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rosemary to put some of the more

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interesting cases into book form well

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into the last century I don't want to

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make it sound like we're well you see on

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antiquated so I understand that I

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resemble that remark thank you I got to

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know rosemary through my other interest

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in ufology I was highly involved with

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:03,740
that going to many many conferences so

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rosemary and I crossed paths many times

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01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:09,230
and of course in conversations you begin

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to everything

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about one another about their interests

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and we saw we had a common interest in

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some of these strange subjects including

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the paranormal and ufology I'd like to

1553
01:12:26,260 --> 01:12:23,810
let rosemary tell this but it was kind

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01:12:28,690 --> 01:12:26,270
of a synchronicity how we cross paths

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01:12:31,750 --> 01:12:28,700
again after not having seen each other

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01:12:35,170 --> 01:12:31,760
for a period of time and then we started

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01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:35,180
talking about our life's experiences and

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01:12:39,540 --> 01:12:37,370
the kinds of travel tales that I've been

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01:12:43,570 --> 01:12:39,550
interviewing people with regularly

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01:12:46,870 --> 01:12:43,580
suddenly the idea of a book series

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01:12:49,420 --> 01:12:46,880
evolved it was actually a travel

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01:12:51,460 --> 01:12:49,430
synchronicity and that's one of the

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01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:51,470
things that we do discuss in the road to

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01:12:57,850 --> 01:12:55,040
strange how weird synchronicities happen

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01:13:00,400 --> 01:12:57,860
to people and as I mentioned in the

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01:13:02,410 --> 01:13:00,410
first hour Jean I travel out to the

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Seattle area every summer to spend time

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with my family

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01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:05,810
and I'd put up a post on social media

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about being out there and Michael saw it

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01:13:15,580 --> 01:13:11,390
and said guess what I live in Bainbridge

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01:13:17,470 --> 01:13:15,590
Island now and if he hadn't seen my post

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01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:17,480
you know because he don't see

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01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:19,010
everybody's posts these are all

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01:13:24,940 --> 01:13:21,890
algorithms but it was we were meant to

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01:13:28,390 --> 01:13:24,950
reconnect we got together for lunch and

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01:13:30,610 --> 01:13:28,400
the series was born we have a number of

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01:13:32,410 --> 01:13:30,620
books planned for this under various

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01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:32,420
themes of course you were mentioning

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working on a UFO oriented book I'm gonna

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01:13:38,950 --> 01:13:36,800
ask you Michael before we go I know

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01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:38,960
rosemary and I spent a little time

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01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:41,270
earlier in the show about all this new

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01:13:46,330 --> 01:13:44,090
publicity about UFOs about a secret the

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01:13:48,870 --> 01:13:46,340
government project that somehow was

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01:13:51,310 --> 01:13:48,880
instigated by former Senator Harry Reid

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01:13:54,640 --> 01:13:51,320
what's your perception of the current

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01:13:58,900 --> 01:13:54,650
state of UFO research well I find it

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very very very interesting suddenly and

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01:14:03,700 --> 01:14:00,710
we've heard this from time to time over

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01:14:05,650 --> 01:14:03,710
the years oh there's going to be some

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01:14:10,510 --> 01:14:05,660
disclosure or there's going to be major

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01:14:13,390 --> 01:14:10,520
disclosure and we always go home sure

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01:14:15,129 --> 01:14:13,400
okay tell me what's going to happen next

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01:14:17,529 --> 01:14:15,139
about all this but

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01:14:20,409 --> 01:14:17,539
is a little different this is very

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01:14:24,520 --> 01:14:20,419
unusual suddenly on the scene where

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01:14:29,799 --> 01:14:24,530
we're hearing revelations from from

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01:14:33,370 --> 01:14:29,809
pilots or hearing from this man who says

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that he had headed this Pentagon a UFO

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01:14:40,739 --> 01:14:37,219
research story but my feeling is well

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01:14:45,669 --> 01:14:40,749
we've been hearing incredible cases by

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01:14:46,689 --> 01:14:45,679
pilots military and civilian for years

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01:14:49,449 --> 01:14:46,699
and years

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01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:49,459
rosemary could attest to this as well we

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01:14:55,719 --> 01:14:52,729
have thousands maybe tens of thousands

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01:14:59,500 --> 01:14:55,729
of cases and stories of ufology so when

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01:15:02,259 --> 01:14:59,510
I hear Neil deGrasse Tyson talking on TV

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01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:02,269
and kind of guffawing and pooh-poohing

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01:15:07,779 --> 01:15:06,050
this whole thing I feel as if I've read

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01:15:09,909 --> 01:15:07,789
a hundred books on the subject and I'm

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01:15:12,000 --> 01:15:09,919
sure rosemary has as well and I don't

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01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:12,010
know how many books Neil deGrasse Tyson

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01:15:20,319 --> 01:15:17,209
read if one I'd be surprised well it's

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01:15:22,839 --> 01:15:20,329
no surprise to us who've been involved

1616
01:15:25,149 --> 01:15:22,849
with studying this field about the

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01:15:29,409 --> 01:15:25,159
reality of it and the strangeness of it

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01:15:32,529 --> 01:15:29,419
and so okay so now we hear a little row

1619
01:15:34,389 --> 01:15:32,539
of the revelation that people are now

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01:15:37,569 --> 01:15:34,399
beginning to talk about this in higher

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circles well I think it goes way deeper

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than that

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01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:41,510
I think we'll find out that there's been

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interest in our government by our

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government many other governments all

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along and it goes much deeper and it's

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much more involved than the simple

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revelation that just took place that's

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in mind the only question I have and

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we'll get into more of it in the next

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01:16:03,250 --> 01:15:59,719
segment we will go on with the book is

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that if we have this new interest what's

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been going on for the past 70 years and

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doesn't that also put the lie to the

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possibility that we really captured

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anything strange or unknown in Roswell

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New Mexico in 1947 because if we did why

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would we need this new study I'm Jean

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Steinberg we have rosemary ellen guiley

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strange travel tales of the paranormal

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and beyond and we're taking a bit of a

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detour into ufos again with Michael

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01:21:28,739 --> 01:21:26,199
Brian who just joined us on the episode

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so Michael if we're gonna have this

1758
01:21:35,370 --> 01:21:32,199
investigation now what are UFOs if we

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01:21:37,770 --> 01:21:35,380
capture the spaceship in 1947 wouldn't

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01:21:39,899 --> 01:21:37,780
we have known already well that's a good

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01:21:43,830 --> 01:21:39,909
point but does that mean that it's

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necessarily revealed at this time of

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what the past history is with the

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subject is the public ready for full

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01:21:54,720 --> 01:21:52,929
disclosure of all that this entails I

1766
01:21:59,430 --> 01:21:54,730
have to feel that much more is known

1767
01:22:02,129 --> 01:21:59,440
about this in higher circles than the

1768
01:22:06,149 --> 01:22:02,139
little bit of tidbits that we happen to

1769
01:22:08,189 --> 01:22:06,159
be privy to currently so therefore this

1770
01:22:13,790 --> 01:22:08,199
is just public relations or something

1771
01:22:19,560 --> 01:22:17,189
it's a feeler and it's just interesting

1772
01:22:23,339 --> 01:22:19,570
to me that the little bit that has come

1773
01:22:26,430 --> 01:22:23,349
out how seriously and shall we say

1774
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:26,440
honestly the media has picked up on this

1775
01:22:31,620 --> 01:22:29,010
and seems to be open to it rather than

1776
01:22:35,069 --> 01:22:31,630
pooh-poohing the whole subject you see a

1777
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,079
little bit more feeling and thought that

1778
01:22:39,390 --> 01:22:36,880
well gee maybe there is something to

1779
01:22:41,879 --> 01:22:39,400
this so let's pay more attention well

1780
01:22:44,910 --> 01:22:41,889
the thing I see is it's just treated as

1781
01:22:47,459 --> 01:22:44,920
another story and very few of the cable

1782
01:22:48,750 --> 01:22:47,469
TV Talking Heads I've heard do anything

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01:22:53,100 --> 01:22:48,760
more and say this is a fascinating

1784
01:22:54,569 --> 01:22:53,110
segment let's see what's going on not

1785
01:22:57,229 --> 01:22:54,579
more than that I mean they're so

1786
01:23:00,239 --> 01:22:57,239
overwhelmed with the news of the day and

1787
01:23:02,459 --> 01:23:00,249
a certain person putting out his latest

1788
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:02,469
tweet that they don't focus on this

1789
01:23:07,319 --> 01:23:05,530
heavily but all the major cable networks

1790
01:23:11,339 --> 01:23:07,329
doesn't matter what your point of view

1791
01:23:17,430 --> 01:23:11,349
is CNN MSNBC Fox they've all had

1792
01:23:20,899 --> 01:23:17,440
segments about this I think it's it's a

1793
01:23:23,430 --> 01:23:20,909
case of toe tipping maybe they are

1794
01:23:26,910 --> 01:23:23,440
cautious

1795
01:23:29,729 --> 01:23:26,920
want to gauge the reaction from all

1796
01:23:30,780 --> 01:23:29,739
around of how these news stories are

1797
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:30,790
being received

1798
01:23:36,630 --> 01:23:33,930
I wouldn't expect them after years of

1799
01:23:38,430 --> 01:23:36,640
totally disregarding and avoiding the

1800
01:23:42,720 --> 01:23:38,440
subject to suddenly now jump in

1801
01:23:45,870 --> 01:23:42,730
headfirst I say they're just dipping

1802
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:45,880
their toes for now we're gonna have to

1803
01:23:50,010 --> 01:23:47,530
see what happens Chris and I will be

1804
01:23:52,620 --> 01:23:50,020
talking about this and certainly you too

1805
01:23:54,630 --> 01:23:52,630
as you come on future episodes we can

1806
01:23:56,670 --> 01:23:54,640
pursue it further let's get back to that

1807
01:23:58,620 --> 01:23:56,680
book I wanted to ask you about few

1808
01:24:00,930 --> 01:23:58,630
details perhaps you can tell us just

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some case histories to get a sense of

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what the theroad2 strange is all about

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01:24:11,550 --> 01:24:07,660
and the very first item under ghosts and

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hauntings is the blood-soaked man and

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01:24:16,410 --> 01:24:14,500
that sounds almost like the TV show

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Criminal Minds and the basis of the

1815
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title what happened here Michael the

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blood-soaked man was a very interesting

1817
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story of a woman residing in Paris in

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her travels and just taking a casual

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walk along a Boulevard and Paris that no

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01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:40,660
doubt had some connection history in the

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past of violent significant events that

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01:24:49,439 --> 01:24:47,199
took place and here she was suddenly

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confronted with what appeared to be a

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man

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just totally soaked in blood from

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01:24:59,760 --> 01:24:56,140
perhaps some very horrible situation

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01:25:02,700 --> 01:24:59,770
that he was in and what was strange was

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01:25:05,040 --> 01:25:02,710
nobody else seemed to pay attention or

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01:25:08,660 --> 01:25:05,050
even notice it and it's one of these

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01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:08,670
situations where on a normally crowded

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Street or Boulevard anywhere in the

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world there would be lots of people but

1833
01:25:21,090 --> 01:25:18,219
she strangely didn't really notice very

1834
01:25:25,350 --> 01:25:21,100
many if anybody else she may have been

1835
01:25:27,959 --> 01:25:25,360
the only one to perceive this and this

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01:25:31,350 --> 01:25:27,969
is what's interesting no matter what the

1837
01:25:33,390 --> 01:25:31,360
paranormal experience may be it's not

1838
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:33,400
always the case that more than one

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01:25:37,410 --> 01:25:34,570
person

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as a witness to the same event sometimes

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01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:39,610
there are multiple witnesses but

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01:25:46,140 --> 01:25:42,790
sometimes in an odd strange way it's in

1843
01:25:49,530 --> 01:25:46,150
a kind of another world kind of in the

1844
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:49,540
existence where somebody has a strange

1845
01:25:56,160 --> 01:25:52,679
paranormal sorts of sort of experience

1846
01:25:57,180 --> 01:25:56,170
and may not be quite able to share it

1847
01:26:00,689 --> 01:25:57,190
with anybody else

1848
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,699
so it seems in this case she saw she was

1849
01:26:06,660 --> 01:26:03,040
a witness to something that involved

1850
01:26:09,629 --> 01:26:06,670
maybe history repeating itself and again

1851
01:26:11,819 --> 01:26:09,639
this apparition appeared no one else

1852
01:26:14,760 --> 01:26:11,829
seemed to be noticing it her dog I don't

1853
01:26:17,729 --> 01:26:14,770
think seem to be noticing it and then

1854
01:26:20,370 --> 01:26:17,739
the blood-soaked man simply disappeared

1855
01:26:22,200 --> 01:26:20,380
into a courtyard not to be seen again

1856
01:26:24,660 --> 01:26:22,210
but maybe by somebody else at another

1857
01:26:27,209 --> 01:26:24,670
time rosemary this is an important point

1858
01:26:30,930 --> 01:26:27,219
how often do we find something like this

1859
01:26:33,780 --> 01:26:30,940
happening where one or a few people see

1860
01:26:36,060 --> 01:26:33,790
something but others do not does this

1861
01:26:37,709 --> 01:26:36,070
require a special sensitivity what's

1862
01:26:41,810 --> 01:26:37,719
your perception speaking of

1863
01:26:45,180 --> 01:26:41,820
sensitivities yes it is quite common for

1864
01:26:47,250 --> 01:26:45,190
there to be like one eyewitness to

1865
01:26:49,410 --> 01:26:47,260
something and others around them do not

1866
01:26:52,800 --> 01:26:49,420
notice it's almost like suddenly they're

1867
01:26:55,109 --> 01:26:52,810
encased in some special bubble of time

1868
01:26:57,899 --> 01:26:55,119
and space I think a lot of it has to do

1869
01:27:01,050 --> 01:26:57,909
with sensitivity we we all have a

1870
01:27:02,189 --> 01:27:01,060
different antenna so to speak actually a

1871
01:27:05,490 --> 01:27:02,199
better way of looking at it would be

1872
01:27:07,589 --> 01:27:05,500
like a radio tuner to the unseen because

1873
01:27:11,250 --> 01:27:07,599
it's vibrating at different frequencies

1874
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:11,260
from consensual reality there are people

1875
01:27:16,470 --> 01:27:15,250
who have such a good radio tuner to

1876
01:27:19,109 --> 01:27:16,480
these frequencies that they're

1877
01:27:21,740 --> 01:27:19,119
constantly having unusual experiences

1878
01:27:25,200 --> 01:27:21,750
wherever they go and for other people

1879
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:25,210
it's often a matter of the perfect storm

1880
01:27:30,180 --> 01:27:28,000
of circumstances they're in the right

1881
01:27:32,160 --> 01:27:30,190
place at the right time in the right

1882
01:27:33,810 --> 01:27:32,170
state of consciousness and so here's

1883
01:27:36,540 --> 01:27:33,820
this woman walking her dog down the

1884
01:27:38,609 --> 01:27:36,550
street she's in a very distracted state

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of mind and that's when many people have

1886
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their extraordinary experiences they're

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not thinking about anything in

1888
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particular they're not unhappy they're

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usually happy or

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least distracted suddenly their radio

1891
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tuner goes to a bandwidth where this

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experience is happening and the

1893
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blood-soaked man was probably what what

1894
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we would call a residual ghost he may

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have been for example a victim of his

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clothing was fairly contemporary that is

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it wasn't period like the 1700s or 1800s

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so perhaps he had been mortally wounded

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in one of the World Wars and so here he

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is maybe he was trying to get back home

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but he's staggering down the street

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which had been there for a very long

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time and bleeding profusely but not

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leaving bloody footprints or any any

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blood on the sidewalk he disappears into

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this courtyard which maybe that had been

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where he lived or maybe he was seeking

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refuge and so this is like a track that

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plays over and over again and someone

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else walking down that Street at the

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right time in the right state of mind

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might see him as well but he does this

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all the time this this residual

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apparition and most of the time nobody

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has the right sensitivity to tune in so

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01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:07,760
that implies that this is a sensitivity

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maybe you can develop or you either have

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it or you don't

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01:29:18,230 --> 01:29:15,450
we all have natural psychic intuitive

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ability to some degree and all of us can

1921
01:29:23,330 --> 01:29:20,820
develop it more than what we've got some

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01:29:25,820 --> 01:29:23,340
of us are going to be the super in that

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01:29:28,130 --> 01:29:25,830
regard you know natural mediums very

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good psychics from the get-go dramatic

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experiences in childhood and so on and

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other people can develop it you you

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definitely can paranormal investigation

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in and of itself will usually develop

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psychic ability because you're

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constantly in environments where you're

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training yourself to experience the

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unseen so for a lot of people these

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experiences if they have no market

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psychic ability they're like one offs

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they might have one or several over the

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course of time they become

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one of those things one of those

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oddities we got much more to come with

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rosemary ellen guiley Michael Brian the

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book is the road to strange travel tales

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of the paranormal and beyond next week

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we're gonna hear from Loren Coleman

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about his new book Mothman evil

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incarnate how about that that's next

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week I'm gene get Michael and rosemary

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in the grow Network I've written up an

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easy introduction on how to use garlic

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hi this is Bryce label I'm the producer

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of dark skies the co-author of AD after

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disclosure and you are listening to the

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para cast the gold standard of

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paranormal radio

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[Music]

2061
01:35:17,630 --> 01:35:15,760
rosemary tells me she's wanted to do

2062
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that for about five years now

2063
01:35:22,860 --> 01:35:21,130
embarrassing will he get michaelis

2064
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chance next the book is the road to

2065
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strange oh listen listen we've gotten

2066
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some pretty unusual people to do this

2067
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and their reality changes completely now

2068
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when you talk about this the ability of

2069
01:35:40,320 --> 01:35:37,030
some people to see a psychic occurrence

2070
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or a UFO whatever and summer sensitive

2071
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some are not you almost feel as if it's

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kind of like broadcasting where there

2073
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are thousands of channels of data coming

2074
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out there if you have the antenna and

2075
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you have a TV tuner and you pick up

2076
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channel 7 or you get your 5 gigahertz

2077
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Wi-Fi all the waves are out there you

2078
01:36:08,460 --> 01:36:06,100
only have to have the mechanism by which

2079
01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:08,470
to tune it in but that also raises a

2080
01:36:13,860 --> 01:36:11,440
question here number one it's the human

2081
01:36:16,410 --> 01:36:13,870
possibly being sensitive to channel 17

2082
01:36:19,530 --> 01:36:16,420
or whatever it is can you have a machine

2083
01:36:21,240 --> 01:36:19,540
maybe anyone thought that a machine that

2084
01:36:23,820 --> 01:36:21,250
could just tune you into different

2085
01:36:26,970 --> 01:36:23,830
realities well certainly the paranormal

2086
01:36:28,380 --> 01:36:26,980
gene we've had intense efforts in the

2087
01:36:32,280 --> 01:36:28,390
past couple of decades

2088
01:36:35,400 --> 01:36:32,290
- perfect machines that will do these

2089
01:36:37,830 --> 01:36:35,410
sorts of things or augment human ability

2090
01:36:42,300 --> 01:36:37,840
in some way and the research for that

2091
01:36:43,950 --> 01:36:42,310
goes back much much longer even to the

2092
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advent of the Machine Age and the

2093
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Telegraph the telephone the phonograph

2094
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,130
you know well well over a century in the

2095
01:36:55,950 --> 01:36:52,960
modern era of ghost hunting there's been

2096
01:36:59,220 --> 01:36:55,960
a concerted effort to to do these and

2097
01:37:02,190 --> 01:36:59,230
various devices that will pick up either

2098
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visual or audio or some sort of sensory

2099
01:37:05,940 --> 01:37:04,270
information and it's a very uneven

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01:37:07,890 --> 01:37:05,950
playing field for one thing these

2101
01:37:09,240 --> 01:37:07,900
devices are not calibrated against

2102
01:37:11,820 --> 01:37:09,250
anything what are you going to calibrate

2103
01:37:14,340 --> 01:37:11,830
against when you're when you're dealing

2104
01:37:18,690 --> 01:37:14,350
with the unseen do we know for example

2105
01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:18,700
that if you have a radio and you put it

2106
01:37:21,670 --> 01:37:20,680
on a certain frequency level or between

2107
01:37:24,230 --> 01:37:21,680
stations

2108
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:24,240
are you going to be able to tune into

2109
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:27,360
something well there are many radio

2110
01:37:33,320 --> 01:37:29,760
based devices they're called radio sweep

2111
01:37:35,600 --> 01:37:33,330
where they sweep the a a.m. or FM band

2112
01:37:37,730 --> 01:37:35,610
and create kind of a jumbled noise

2113
01:37:39,490 --> 01:37:37,740
that's very similar to white noise but

2114
01:37:42,650 --> 01:37:39,500
there have also been a lot of

2115
01:37:46,520 --> 01:37:42,660
experiments done at certain Hertz

2116
01:37:48,590 --> 01:37:46,530
frequencies not surprisingly because of

2117
01:37:51,590 --> 01:37:48,600
the subjective nature and the wild-card

2118
01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:51,600
here is human consciousness the

2119
01:37:57,260 --> 01:37:54,090
subjective nature of experience what

2120
01:37:59,870 --> 01:37:57,270
works for one person will often not work

2121
01:38:01,940 --> 01:37:59,880
for another person and so of course what

2122
01:38:05,240 --> 01:38:01,950
a science do with this they can't do

2123
01:38:07,310 --> 01:38:05,250
anything with it except discard it and

2124
01:38:09,650 --> 01:38:07,320
that's one of the problems in the field

2125
01:38:13,400 --> 01:38:09,660
the consciousness the factor of human

2126
01:38:17,270 --> 01:38:13,410
consciousness seems to have a great deal

2127
01:38:19,910 --> 01:38:17,280
of influence on a whether we have the

2128
01:38:22,340 --> 01:38:19,920
experience and B how we have the

2129
01:38:24,740 --> 01:38:22,350
experience well certainly the biggest

2130
01:38:27,860 --> 01:38:24,750
thing in science is we have to repeat

2131
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:27,870
what's going on and repeatability but if

2132
01:38:30,860 --> 01:38:29,250
you have random occurrences

2133
01:38:32,930 --> 01:38:30,870
unpredictable occurrences you can't

2134
01:38:35,420 --> 01:38:32,940
repeat them and that's probably one

2135
01:38:39,170 --> 01:38:35,430
reason why the serious scientists

2136
01:38:41,750 --> 01:38:39,180
quote/unquote will not often embrace

2137
01:38:44,390 --> 01:38:41,760
subjects like this it's because it's so

2138
01:38:47,210 --> 01:38:44,400
random we don't know what's happening we

2139
01:38:50,120 --> 01:38:47,220
go to a subject who saw UFO someone else

2140
01:38:52,130 --> 01:38:50,130
saw Bigfoot or ghost well how do you

2141
01:38:53,870 --> 01:38:52,140
reproduce that's just an anecdote unless

2142
01:38:56,750 --> 01:38:53,880
there's the hope of physical evidence

2143
01:38:59,570 --> 01:38:56,760
that's right you cannot replicate it and

2144
01:39:02,240 --> 01:38:59,580
even if you took a radio sweep device

2145
01:39:05,390 --> 01:39:02,250
for EVP into the same environment

2146
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,400
repeatedly and ran that device you would

2147
01:39:11,240 --> 01:39:07,920
not get the same results in any two

2148
01:39:12,980 --> 01:39:11,250
occasions it does make serious research

2149
01:39:16,520 --> 01:39:12,990
from a scientific perspective very

2150
01:39:20,540 --> 01:39:16,530
problematic and researchers have found

2151
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:20,550
also that if they have and this is where

2152
01:39:24,920 --> 01:39:22,980
it gets way too far out for science if

2153
01:39:26,930 --> 01:39:24,930
they have a personal relationship with

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01:39:28,850 --> 01:39:26,940
their devices that is if they handle

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01:39:33,710 --> 01:39:28,860
them if they put their energy into them

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01:39:36,460 --> 01:39:33,720
there is a there's some sort

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01:39:39,590 --> 01:39:36,470
of energy bond that happens between

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01:39:42,500 --> 01:39:39,600
equipment and the operator that augments

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01:39:44,780 --> 01:39:42,510
results as well in other words love your

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01:39:48,410 --> 01:39:44,790
technology love your technology

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01:39:50,780 --> 01:39:48,420
absolutely and it's also not a very

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01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:50,790
democratic playing field in terms of the

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01:39:56,540 --> 01:39:53,850
kinds of things you tune in to a person

2164
01:39:59,480 --> 01:39:56,550
whose antenna is tuned ghosts may not

2165
01:40:03,200 --> 01:39:59,490
have any UFO or et experiences and vice

2166
01:40:06,050 --> 01:40:03,210
versa and so why not are they at

2167
01:40:08,780 --> 01:40:06,060
completely different ends of some sort

2168
01:40:12,770 --> 01:40:08,790
of energy spectrum is it somebody's

2169
01:40:15,620 --> 01:40:12,780
personal orientation people who seem to

2170
01:40:17,150 --> 01:40:15,630
have really market abilities that is

2171
01:40:19,040 --> 01:40:17,160
their boundary between the physical

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01:40:21,980 --> 01:40:19,050
world and the unknown or the para

2173
01:40:23,990 --> 01:40:21,990
physical is extremely thin they tend to

2174
01:40:26,530 --> 01:40:24,000
have more across-the-board sorts of

2175
01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:26,540
experiences but when I interview

2176
01:40:32,510 --> 01:40:29,040
experiencers I find that they tend to

2177
01:40:35,900 --> 01:40:32,520
cluster in some areas some part of the

2178
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:35,910
spectrum of the of the extraordinary

2179
01:40:41,720 --> 01:40:39,290
it's not a uniformly across the board

2180
01:40:44,360 --> 01:40:41,730
and even though we can't replicate

2181
01:40:46,190 --> 01:40:44,370
things there are patterns that can be

2182
01:40:48,650 --> 01:40:46,200
ascertained there are certainly patterns

2183
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:48,660
and consistencies from people's

2184
01:40:54,380 --> 01:40:51,930
eyewitness accounts there are patterns

2185
01:40:57,770 --> 01:40:54,390
and consistencies in people's personal

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01:40:59,690 --> 01:40:57,780
histories as well in terms of when they

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01:41:02,870 --> 01:40:59,700
started experiencing the pair of

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01:41:05,930 --> 01:41:02,880
physical and in what way and doesn't run

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01:41:07,190 --> 01:41:05,940
in families yes it does you see this one

2190
01:41:09,830 --> 01:41:07,200
of the arguments I have with people like

2191
01:41:12,470 --> 01:41:09,840
MUFON where they treat UFOs as an

2192
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:12,480
external event well you just saw an auto

2193
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:16,500
accident you just saw that plane it's

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01:41:21,230 --> 01:41:18,960
external to you it's not part of you and

2195
01:41:23,330 --> 01:41:21,240
you're not a participant in the event

2196
01:41:26,440 --> 01:41:23,340
unless you're somehow involved like in

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01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:26,450
the accident and I think that basically

2198
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:29,640
drops a heavy portion of the available

2199
01:41:35,270 --> 01:41:32,760
data well I would agree with that and

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01:41:36,980 --> 01:41:35,280
Michael I don't know how you ran into

2201
01:41:39,110 --> 01:41:36,990
that with MUFON because you know you

2202
01:41:41,740 --> 01:41:39,120
spent so much time with them but I found

2203
01:41:46,260 --> 01:41:41,750
MUFON attitudes just very frustrating

2204
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:46,270
well basically been a loner

2205
01:41:52,500 --> 01:41:48,970
even though I participated with MUFON

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01:41:56,100 --> 01:41:52,510
and afro at one point but that's ancient

2207
01:41:59,160 --> 01:41:56,110
history I pray I got involved with that

2208
01:42:01,380 --> 01:41:59,170
a little bit and then I gravitated

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01:42:04,080 --> 01:42:01,390
towards MUFON more because it seemed to

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01:42:06,450 --> 01:42:04,090
be expanding and moving in a lot of

2211
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,460
different areas and directions and

2212
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:08,800
building up people who are involved in

2213
01:42:14,880 --> 01:42:11,530
it all but I wanted to add two things to

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01:42:18,090 --> 01:42:14,890
the conversation from a little bit

2215
01:42:19,770 --> 01:42:18,100
before and that is imagine that there

2216
01:42:22,260 --> 01:42:19,780
are super scientists out there that are

2217
01:42:25,050 --> 01:42:22,270
very concerned with artificial

2218
01:42:26,910 --> 01:42:25,060
intelligence can you imagine what the

2219
01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:26,920
situation could be like when the

2220
01:42:34,980 --> 01:42:31,330
machines begin to discover how to read

2221
01:42:36,960 --> 01:42:34,990
minds say human minds and we as humans

2222
01:42:39,840 --> 01:42:36,970
have not quite gotten there yet that's a

2223
01:42:42,990 --> 01:42:39,850
little bit of a scary thought but let me

2224
01:42:46,460 --> 01:42:43,000
also just go back to my experience as a

2225
01:42:50,640 --> 01:42:46,470
graduate student in psychology noticing

2226
01:42:52,650 --> 01:42:50,650
that if people began to deal with things

2227
01:42:55,110 --> 01:42:52,660
they didn't understand they they tended

2228
01:42:59,300 --> 01:42:55,120
to shove it under the carpet and not

2229
01:43:02,910 --> 01:42:59,310
deal with it at all and I felt that

2230
01:43:04,020 --> 01:43:02,920
social science and probably the same is

2231
01:43:07,350 --> 01:43:04,030
true with some of the physical

2232
01:43:10,230 --> 01:43:07,360
scientists and sciences that what people

2233
01:43:12,090 --> 01:43:10,240
don't understand and can't deal with in

2234
01:43:15,210 --> 01:43:12,100
an empirical way because we don't have

2235
01:43:18,030 --> 01:43:15,220
tools yet in order to maybe deal with it

2236
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:18,040
adequately the easiest thing to do is to

2237
01:43:25,110 --> 01:43:22,480
deny it and so I got very disgruntled

2238
01:43:28,530 --> 01:43:25,120
when I discovered that scientists

2239
01:43:30,480 --> 01:43:28,540
quote-on-quote we're very often the

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01:43:32,970 --> 01:43:30,490
people who were as closed-minded as

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01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:32,980
skeptics and debunkers who just refused

2242
01:43:37,880 --> 01:43:35,050
to look at data that they just don't

2243
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:37,890
understand how quite to measure it yet

2244
01:43:41,850 --> 01:43:40,090
well that certainly creates other

2245
01:43:43,890 --> 01:43:41,860
problems let's look at some more case

2246
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:43,900
histories as we continue with this

2247
01:43:48,379 --> 01:43:45,730
episode and we have about five segments

2248
01:43:51,649 --> 01:43:48,389
left we're just about to wrap up

2249
01:43:54,109 --> 01:43:51,659
but having gone from ghosts that one

2250
01:43:57,290 --> 01:43:54,119
ghost episode I wanted to look into

2251
01:43:59,060 --> 01:43:57,300
mysteries and time slips because then we

2252
01:44:01,669 --> 01:43:59,070
get into the interdimensional stuff so

2253
01:44:05,659 --> 01:44:01,679
you've got an article or a piece here

2254
01:44:08,449 --> 01:44:05,669
called lost in space and time and we've

2255
01:44:09,979 --> 01:44:08,459
got maybe about 50 seconds left for the

2256
01:44:12,409 --> 01:44:09,989
segment before we have to split for

2257
01:44:13,939 --> 01:44:12,419
another one maybe you can start Michael

2258
01:44:17,810 --> 01:44:13,949
talking about it and then we'll pick up

2259
01:44:20,479 --> 01:44:17,820
on the next piece that was a story that

2260
01:44:23,810 --> 01:44:20,489
was contributed by Rosemary and she has

2261
01:44:28,189 --> 01:44:23,820
more familiarity with with that story

2262
01:44:31,790 --> 01:44:28,199
but basically really quickly it seems to

2263
01:44:38,060 --> 01:44:31,800
be a story of a person in his own space

2264
01:44:41,419 --> 01:44:38,070
time continuum was trying to get to

2265
01:44:43,939 --> 01:44:41,429
someplace to be involved in a political

2266
01:44:47,750 --> 01:44:43,949
meeting just prior to the elections and

2267
01:44:50,629 --> 01:44:47,760
he wound up instead in an area of the

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01:44:52,939 --> 01:44:50,639
country that was paranormal and I'd like

2269
01:44:56,689 --> 01:44:52,949
to let rosemary talk about that that has

2270
01:44:58,790 --> 01:44:56,699
more to do with the Mothman case is West

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01:45:00,799 --> 01:44:58,800
Virginia oh yeah and I was mentioning

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01:45:03,919 --> 01:45:00,809
before Loren Coleman is gonna be here

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01:45:06,049 --> 01:45:03,929
next week to talk about Mothman so this

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01:45:08,359 --> 01:45:06,059
is a good segue so we'll talk to

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01:45:11,870 --> 01:45:08,369
rosemary on our next segment about lost

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01:45:14,179 --> 01:45:11,880
in space and time I'm Jean Steinberg

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01:45:20,470 --> 01:45:14,189
she's rosemary ellen guiley we also have

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[Applause]

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welcome back to the para cast the gold

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01:48:01,830 --> 01:47:57,980
here's Jane Steinberg

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01:48:07,180 --> 01:48:05,040
Michael Bryan is one of our best people

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almost up there with rosemary ellen

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01:48:14,170 --> 01:48:12,320
guiley and Nick Redfern and Chris

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O'Brien whose voice has turned to

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something like a Bigfoot these days

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rosemary lost in space and time tell us

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more this involves a man who set out

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from his home in Indiana to go to South

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01:48:34,780 --> 01:48:28,720
Carolina to attend a political rally and

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he had all of his maps and his driving

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plan as time said if he left the house

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at a certain time he would arrive in

2346
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:42,620
time for the early evening activities

2347
01:48:49,480 --> 01:48:45,730
and something goes awry on the trip now

2348
01:48:52,420 --> 01:48:49,490
he winds up in West Virginia and I must

2349
01:48:55,720 --> 01:48:52,430
say that West Virginia has a number of

2350
01:48:58,030 --> 01:48:55,730
cases of time slips on roads where

2351
01:49:00,220 --> 01:48:58,040
people are driving along and they find

2352
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:00,230
that they lose time or they're suddenly

2353
01:49:05,050 --> 01:49:02,810
not where they think they were or

2354
01:49:07,690 --> 01:49:05,060
there's something very unusual about

2355
01:49:11,770 --> 01:49:07,700
their surroundings that shifts in a

2356
01:49:13,930 --> 01:49:11,780
sudden way so as he's driving along the

2357
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:13,940
trip starts taking longer than he

2358
01:49:20,110 --> 01:49:17,840
anticipated losing time and he finds

2359
01:49:24,040 --> 01:49:20,120
that he's not on the route that he had

2360
01:49:27,610 --> 01:49:24,050
planned and he gets so confused that he

2361
01:49:29,640 --> 01:49:27,620
thinks well maybe I better get a map so

2362
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:29,650
he tried tries to get off the freeway

2363
01:49:35,590 --> 01:49:32,330
then he can't find any place that sells

2364
01:49:38,380 --> 01:49:35,600
a map I mean how many gas stations don't

2365
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:38,390
have maps or convenience stores that

2366
01:49:43,300 --> 01:49:40,730
don't have maps of some sort but he

2367
01:49:45,670 --> 01:49:43,310
can't find a map anywhere now he had

2368
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:45,680
intended to be in South Carolina by 5:00

2369
01:49:52,120 --> 01:49:48,800
p.m. and he winds up instead at 9:00

2370
01:49:55,080 --> 01:49:52,130
p.m. in Point Pleasant West Virginia on

2371
01:49:58,030 --> 01:49:55,090
the eve of the Mothman festival and

2372
01:50:00,880 --> 01:49:58,040
which is in its own weird little time

2373
01:50:03,670 --> 01:50:00,890
scape my husband and I came into the

2374
01:50:06,850 --> 01:50:03,680
hotel in town right behind him to check

2375
01:50:09,010 --> 01:50:06,860
in he says that he's here for the event

2376
01:50:11,020 --> 01:50:09,020
well everybody thinks that well that's

2377
01:50:13,180 --> 01:50:11,030
the Mothman event

2378
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:13,190
the woman at the death says well here's

2379
01:50:17,620 --> 01:50:15,410
one of your speakers right behind you

2380
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:17,630
and he turns and looks at he says oh so

2381
01:50:22,600 --> 01:50:21,290
you must be a Sentinel and I had no idea

2382
01:50:26,830 --> 01:50:22,610
what he was talking about but we

2383
01:50:29,680 --> 01:50:26,840
determined that he literally thinks he

2384
01:50:32,290 --> 01:50:29,690
is in South Carolina or somewhere where

2385
01:50:35,380 --> 01:50:32,300
he needs to be for this political rally

2386
01:50:37,780 --> 01:50:35,390
he's having a very hard time coming to

2387
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:37,790
terms of the fact that he has gotten way

2388
01:50:42,430 --> 01:50:40,250
off track hundreds of miles off track

2389
01:50:45,310 --> 01:50:42,440
to wind up in a tiny little place called

2390
01:50:48,490 --> 01:50:45,320
Point Pleasant what happens then for the

2391
01:50:51,160 --> 01:50:48,500
next day or so is that he's in his own

2392
01:50:53,800 --> 01:50:51,170
reality he's on his cell phone talking

2393
01:50:57,640 --> 01:50:53,810
to people about attending the rallies

2394
01:50:59,710 --> 01:50:57,650
and he leaves the hotel and goes across

2395
01:51:01,180 --> 01:50:59,720
the street to the Mothman museum and

2396
01:51:04,990 --> 01:51:01,190
wants to know when the rallies are

2397
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:05,000
starting after about the about the end

2398
01:51:12,460 --> 01:51:09,650
of the day he disappears he tells the

2399
01:51:14,350 --> 01:51:12,470
woman at the desk that he's figured out

2400
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:14,360
how to get where he needs to go he

2401
01:51:19,930 --> 01:51:16,250
contemplated going home and now he knows

2402
01:51:22,120 --> 01:51:19,940
how he can get there and he leaves but

2403
01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:22,130
how he got hundreds of miles off track

2404
01:51:28,380 --> 01:51:25,090
and lost all this time and the bizarre

2405
01:51:31,870 --> 01:51:28,390
circumstances of not being able to find

2406
01:51:34,180 --> 01:51:31,880
reorienting maps and then also being in

2407
01:51:37,210 --> 01:51:34,190
some sort of his own bubble of reality

2408
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:37,220
where he can't even grasp where he is it

2409
01:51:42,940 --> 01:51:40,130
was just all very bizarre now I have

2410
01:51:45,130 --> 01:51:42,950
interviewed other drivers and truckers

2411
01:51:47,950 --> 01:51:45,140
especially truckers who drive the same

2412
01:51:51,190 --> 01:51:47,960
routes in various parts of West Virginia

2413
01:51:54,790 --> 01:51:51,200
and there are portions of highways that

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01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:54,800
are known for missing time and where you

2415
01:51:59,410 --> 01:51:57,440
can be driving along and the environment

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01:52:02,350 --> 01:51:59,420
around you will shift and change and

2417
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:02,360
usually the change is in a fashion where

2418
01:52:06,790 --> 01:52:04,610
everything looks kind of dead and still

2419
01:52:09,970 --> 01:52:06,800
and silent there's no life there's no

2420
01:52:13,960 --> 01:52:09,980
animals there's no people and you're

2421
01:52:15,610 --> 01:52:13,970
miles off track and and it takes you six

2422
01:52:18,040 --> 01:52:15,620
hours to get somewhere when it should

2423
01:52:19,750 --> 01:52:18,050
have taken three this has happened to

2424
01:52:22,120 --> 01:52:19,760
truckers a fair amount along certain

2425
01:52:25,540 --> 01:52:22,130
routes in West Virginia so

2426
01:52:27,700 --> 01:52:25,550
happens do people go through bubbles do

2427
01:52:29,890 --> 01:52:27,710
they get caught up in time warp bubbles

2428
01:52:32,110 --> 01:52:29,900
this is the first time I've heard of

2429
01:52:34,140 --> 01:52:32,120
such an experience mole tracking

2430
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:34,150
multi-state like this from Indiana

2431
01:52:42,430 --> 01:52:38,090
heading to South Carolina but West

2432
01:52:44,410 --> 01:52:42,440
Virginia is a very strange area and if

2433
01:52:46,450 --> 01:52:44,420
he got deflected into West Virginia I

2434
01:52:50,100 --> 01:52:46,460
could see how something totally

2435
01:52:54,190 --> 01:52:50,110
disoriented then happens Oh My heavens

2436
01:52:57,340 --> 01:52:54,200
that reads like an episode of Twilight

2437
01:52:59,230 --> 01:52:57,350
Zone well they they really do sound like

2438
01:53:02,080 --> 01:52:59,240
Twilight Zone stories and we've got some

2439
01:53:04,150 --> 01:53:02,090
other time slips in the book as well but

2440
01:53:06,940 --> 01:53:04,160
the point is gene that these things

2441
01:53:09,940 --> 01:53:06,950
literally do happen and I suspect they

2442
01:53:12,970 --> 01:53:09,950
happen more than we realize that linear

2443
01:53:15,970 --> 01:53:12,980
time is has all these bubbles in it or

2444
01:53:18,310 --> 01:53:15,980
holes or it's fluid and we have these

2445
01:53:20,680 --> 01:53:18,320
bleed throughs into other time escapes

2446
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:20,690
and realities yeah I was just looking on

2447
01:53:26,650 --> 01:53:22,970
the map so we have Point Pleasant West

2448
01:53:27,970 --> 01:53:26,660
Virginia and then we have South Carolina

2449
01:53:29,290 --> 01:53:27,980
State Charleston I used to live in

2450
01:53:34,900 --> 01:53:29,300
Charleston South Carolina

2451
01:53:38,050 --> 01:53:34,910
the distance is 526 and a half miles via

2452
01:53:40,150 --> 01:53:38,060
I 77 going south so it's a straight

2453
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:40,160
route straight shot and that will take

2454
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:43,520
about eight hours if you had to drive

2455
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:45,290
from one location to the next

2456
01:53:56,890 --> 01:53:54,370
but the other bizarre thing was that

2457
01:53:59,170 --> 01:53:56,900
nobody could convince this guy that he

2458
01:54:05,700 --> 01:53:59,180
was not in the right place now I don't

2459
01:54:11,590 --> 01:54:09,130
hotel which is the only hotel in Point

2460
01:54:17,470 --> 01:54:11,600
Pleasant how you mistake that hotel for

2461
01:54:21,700 --> 01:54:17,480
some Hyatt in South Carolina where he

2462
01:54:25,150 --> 01:54:21,710
was headed and when you are repeatedly

2463
01:54:27,370 --> 01:54:25,160
told that this is Point Pleasant and the

2464
01:54:30,580 --> 01:54:27,380
event here is the Mothman festival and

2465
01:54:32,170 --> 01:54:30,590
doesn't seem to penetrate now just to

2466
01:54:33,440 --> 01:54:32,180
show you about the difference Point

2467
01:54:37,400 --> 01:54:33,450
Pleasant

2468
01:54:42,010 --> 01:54:37,410
has a population of 40 350 as of the

2469
01:54:46,940 --> 01:54:42,020
2010 census I mean it's a small town

2470
01:54:49,520 --> 01:54:46,950
right it is it's very small it's it's an

2471
01:54:53,780 --> 01:54:49,530
Old River town at the confluence of the

2472
01:54:57,230 --> 01:54:53,790
caneva and Ohio rivers and there's not a

2473
01:55:00,770 --> 01:54:57,240
whole lot that goes on there well unless

2474
01:55:03,950 --> 01:55:00,780
you're doing a Mothman festival right

2475
01:55:09,170 --> 01:55:03,960
now he was headed for Greenville in

2476
01:55:14,180 --> 01:55:09,180
South Carolina so but still that's just

2477
01:55:18,590 --> 01:55:14,190
like way way off track just checking the

2478
01:55:21,530 --> 01:55:18,600
distance that is probably 100 to some

2479
01:55:23,870 --> 01:55:21,540
odd miles it's a couple hours drive so

2480
01:55:27,170 --> 01:55:23,880
instead of eight hours of six hours 18

2481
01:55:32,120 --> 01:55:27,180
minutes so it's you know an hour and 42

2482
01:55:33,530 --> 01:55:32,130
minutes less still hmm it's part of the

2483
01:55:36,020 --> 01:55:33,540
same route though you just turn a

2484
01:55:37,700 --> 01:55:36,030
different direction when you get down to

2485
01:55:40,010 --> 01:55:37,710
Charlotte North Carolina

2486
01:55:42,110 --> 01:55:40,020
you'd make a different turn to get to

2487
01:55:44,180 --> 01:55:42,120
new and when I hear this you know we're

2488
01:55:47,260 --> 01:55:44,190
giving navigation advice by the way

2489
01:55:49,430 --> 01:55:47,270
either that or take the Stargate okay

2490
01:55:52,010 --> 01:55:49,440
that works much better

2491
01:55:54,910 --> 01:55:52,020
now speaking of Twilight Zone kind of

2492
01:55:57,350 --> 01:55:54,920
stuff I may be x-files stuff there's a

2493
01:56:00,920 --> 01:55:57,360
telltale article in there called the

2494
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:00,930
death curse I wanna know about who wants

2495
01:56:07,210 --> 01:56:04,170
to volunteer to take that one Michael

2496
01:56:10,550 --> 01:56:07,220
that's one of your stories okay

2497
01:56:16,970 --> 01:56:10,560
this story was told to me by one of my

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01:56:19,090 --> 01:56:16,980
best friends an ER doctor and he had a

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01:56:23,810 --> 01:56:19,100
period of his life where he was

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providing service as part of his medical

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training and he went to an Apache

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reservation and was helping people

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01:56:41,209 --> 01:56:36,360
living on the reservation and he one day

2504
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they became friends it wasn't anything

2505
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particularly serious but they had a date

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and in those days probably more so than

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now there were people with very strict

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cultural and social mores and taboos

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about their relationships let's say with

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with the Caucasian European descent

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okay let's do our break here and we'll

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strange just loads and loads of

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fascinating tales at the end I'm just

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sound like Twilight Zone or amazing

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stories or Outer Limits and Michael is

2615
02:02:22,060 --> 02:02:17,120
telling us about the death curse go on

2616
02:02:24,880 --> 02:02:22,070
please yes much detail in the book on

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02:02:28,390 --> 02:02:24,890
this but anyway they had a friendship

2618
02:02:31,450 --> 02:02:28,400
and the young woman returned back to

2619
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where she was living in the app saw that

2620
02:02:37,450 --> 02:02:34,210
she had been out with this doctor and

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02:02:39,459 --> 02:02:37,460
got very very upset and apparently

2622
02:02:43,660 --> 02:02:39,469
thought there was it was much more

2623
02:02:48,250 --> 02:02:43,670
serious than I was I don't know but Dave

2624
02:02:51,370 --> 02:02:48,260
began to suffer a series of mishaps was

2625
02:02:56,080 --> 02:02:51,380
just seemed not normal he had a serious

2626
02:02:58,390 --> 02:02:56,090
accident he developed hepatitis and

2627
02:02:58,990 --> 02:02:58,400
things that just didn't that they seemed

2628
02:03:01,810 --> 02:02:59,000
out of place

2629
02:03:04,060 --> 02:03:01,820
well anyway Dave had always been

2630
02:03:06,640 --> 02:03:04,070
interested in some of the strange

2631
02:03:09,220 --> 02:03:06,650
subjects and it was very open to it and

2632
02:03:12,130 --> 02:03:09,230
he started inquiring around and he had

2633
02:03:15,640 --> 02:03:12,140
been treating one of the Apache elders

2634
02:03:17,860 --> 02:03:15,650
who had informed Dave when they had a

2635
02:03:21,070 --> 02:03:17,870
conversation that he appeared to have

2636
02:03:23,020 --> 02:03:21,080
had a cursed place on him now

2637
02:03:26,370 --> 02:03:23,030
there's always stories of curses and

2638
02:03:30,490 --> 02:03:26,380
lots of cultures but in this situation

2639
02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:30,500
the Apache elder said yes there is a

2640
02:03:36,160 --> 02:03:33,530
curse placed on you but I can help you I

2641
02:03:39,880 --> 02:03:36,170
can help you take care of this and then

2642
02:03:42,939 --> 02:03:39,890
he saw the young woman again after many

2643
02:03:43,990 --> 02:03:42,949
months and she said well shall we go out

2644
02:03:46,240 --> 02:03:44,000
again and

2645
02:03:48,010 --> 02:03:46,250
I said well I don't think so not after

2646
02:03:49,720 --> 02:03:48,020
what happens to me the first time I I

2647
02:03:53,950 --> 02:03:49,730
think I'll take a pass on this

2648
02:03:56,230 --> 02:03:53,960
but anyway apparently the aunt had

2649
02:03:59,350 --> 02:03:56,240
placed some sort of a curse on Dave

2650
02:04:01,770 --> 02:03:59,360
and it was ameliorated and it was just

2651
02:04:04,300 --> 02:04:01,780
ironic one day Dave was treating

2652
02:04:07,690 --> 02:04:04,310
patients and it so happened that the

2653
02:04:09,670 --> 02:04:07,700
aunt came in to be treated one day and

2654
02:04:12,640 --> 02:04:09,680
she just turned white as a sheet when

2655
02:04:15,910 --> 02:04:12,650
she saw Dave because of course she

2656
02:04:18,850 --> 02:04:15,920
thought they would be no more and they

2657
02:04:20,680 --> 02:04:18,860
had the compunction to say there he put

2658
02:04:23,830 --> 02:04:20,690
his arm around and he said you placed a

2659
02:04:26,980 --> 02:04:23,840
death curse on me didn't you well it

2660
02:04:30,460 --> 02:04:26,990
didn't work and fortunately this is a

2661
02:04:33,910 --> 02:04:30,470
situation where cool heads prevailed and

2662
02:04:35,470 --> 02:04:33,920
whatever it was that influenced the

2663
02:04:38,140 --> 02:04:35,480
things that happened to Dave in his life

2664
02:04:40,600 --> 02:04:38,150
did get taken care of and maybe

2665
02:04:43,180 --> 02:04:40,610
sometimes they don't there's another

2666
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:43,190
story in the book that almost sounds

2667
02:04:48,820 --> 02:04:45,770
like it's related because of curses

2668
02:04:53,590 --> 02:04:48,830
under encounters with the dead wrath of

2669
02:04:56,470 --> 02:04:53,600
the Dead who wants to take that one your

2670
02:04:58,420 --> 02:04:56,480
turn rosemary it's one of my favorite

2671
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stories this is from Michael's

2672
02:05:06,700 --> 02:05:04,460
collection and it concerns a man who was

2673
02:05:11,890 --> 02:05:06,710
staying with a family in Papua New

2674
02:05:13,990 --> 02:05:11,900
Guinea and he became friends with the

2675
02:05:19,660 --> 02:05:14,000
family got to know the mother while she

2676
02:05:23,590 --> 02:05:19,670
was still alive and she died the mother

2677
02:05:26,140 --> 02:05:23,600
died but she had had kind of her

2678
02:05:28,750 --> 02:05:26,150
favorite area on the property where she

2679
02:05:31,810 --> 02:05:28,760
liked to sit in the rocking chair in the

2680
02:05:32,740 --> 02:05:31,820
afternoon and enjoy herself well after

2681
02:05:35,590 --> 02:05:32,750
she died

2682
02:05:38,590 --> 02:05:35,600
one of the brothers decided to build a

2683
02:05:40,210 --> 02:05:38,600
house on the property and including on

2684
02:05:43,090 --> 02:05:40,220
this particular spot so he started

2685
02:05:44,920 --> 02:05:43,100
putting a house up he was told by

2686
02:05:47,200 --> 02:05:44,930
another brother don't do that you're

2687
02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:47,210
gonna make mama mad she won't like that

2688
02:05:52,120 --> 02:05:49,820
and the brother who was building the

2689
02:05:55,510 --> 02:05:52,130
house just ignored him and continued on

2690
02:05:57,770 --> 02:05:55,520
well the visitor became very seriously

2691
02:06:01,279 --> 02:05:57,780
ill he contracted Malloy

2692
02:06:03,319 --> 02:06:01,289
and was quite ill to the point where he

2693
02:06:07,879 --> 02:06:03,329
was actually concerned that he might not

2694
02:06:10,490 --> 02:06:07,889
survive in tribal customs in those areas

2695
02:06:13,430 --> 02:06:10,500
sometimes the ancestors are called upon

2696
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:13,440
to help in cases like that so big storm

2697
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:18,210
arose and passed and they were the man

2698
02:06:22,899 --> 02:06:20,570
recovered he started feeling better and

2699
02:06:25,250 --> 02:06:22,909
they were all sitting out on the porch

2700
02:06:28,279 --> 02:06:25,260
enjoying the night after the storm had

2701
02:06:30,589 --> 02:06:28,289
passed and the brother who disapproved

2702
02:06:33,770 --> 02:06:30,599
of the house stands up and points out

2703
02:06:34,250 --> 02:06:33,780
into the jungle and he says look mama's

2704
02:06:41,330 --> 02:06:34,260
coming

2705
02:06:43,490 --> 02:06:41,340
that he could see the spirit of the dead

2706
02:06:45,740 --> 02:06:43,500
mother marching down the path she'd been

2707
02:06:49,310 --> 02:06:45,750
buried in the jungle and she was coming

2708
02:06:52,160 --> 02:06:49,320
down the path and she was in a wrath she

2709
02:06:55,430 --> 02:06:52,170
came to where the house was under

2710
02:06:57,680 --> 02:06:55,440
construction and she just mowed it down

2711
02:06:58,669 --> 02:06:57,690
it just collapsed like a pile of

2712
02:07:02,510 --> 02:06:58,679
matchsticks

2713
02:07:05,540 --> 02:07:02,520
now the visitor who is the author of the

2714
02:07:07,640 --> 02:07:05,550
story could not see anything except this

2715
02:07:10,129 --> 02:07:07,650
house going down at that point this the

2716
02:07:12,830 --> 02:07:10,139
storm was long past you know was barely

2717
02:07:15,260 --> 02:07:12,840
a breeze blowing and this house just

2718
02:07:17,569 --> 02:07:15,270
collapses like a pile of matchsticks and

2719
02:07:19,399 --> 02:07:17,579
Linda was saying see see I told you not

2720
02:07:21,260 --> 02:07:19,409
to build the house there I told you mama

2721
02:07:23,240 --> 02:07:21,270
wouldn't like it and then as soon as the

2722
02:07:25,760 --> 02:07:23,250
house is destroyed she marches back into

2723
02:07:28,819 --> 02:07:25,770
the jungle and that was the end of it

2724
02:07:31,459 --> 02:07:28,829
now earlier than that there had been

2725
02:07:33,709 --> 02:07:31,469
some discussion of calling upon mama to

2726
02:07:35,660 --> 02:07:33,719
help their sick friend and so there was

2727
02:07:37,580 --> 02:07:35,670
some speculation that she'd had a

2728
02:07:41,149 --> 02:07:37,590
dual-purpose that she'd come out of the

2729
02:07:42,740 --> 02:07:41,159
grave to help this fellow who now was on

2730
02:07:46,010 --> 02:07:42,750
the road to recovery and when she saw

2731
02:07:49,490 --> 02:07:46,020
the house she was not going to have it

2732
02:07:52,189 --> 02:07:49,500
and she tore it down well the house was

2733
02:07:54,589 --> 02:07:52,199
not rebuilt well I would certainly

2734
02:07:56,660 --> 02:07:54,599
understand that it almost reminds me of

2735
02:07:59,330 --> 02:07:56,670
the movie poltergeist the original one

2736
02:08:02,870 --> 02:07:59,340
where all these homes were built on

2737
02:08:05,120 --> 02:08:02,880
Indian burial grounds and where stuff

2738
02:08:05,709 --> 02:08:05,130
was going on Chris has joined us by the

2739
02:08:11,300 --> 02:08:05,719
way

2740
02:08:15,140 --> 02:08:13,340
I'm sorry you guys we've had a hell of a

2741
02:08:17,690 --> 02:08:15,150
time here today we have this really bad

2742
02:08:19,550 --> 02:08:17,700
windstorm we lost all our power no

2743
02:08:21,980 --> 02:08:19,560
cellphones no nothing I've been pulling

2744
02:08:25,540 --> 02:08:21,990
my hair out well we were talking about

2745
02:08:28,910 --> 02:08:25,550
you behind your back Chris no we weren't

2746
02:08:30,710 --> 02:08:28,920
if you were I wouldn't I probably

2747
02:08:32,390 --> 02:08:30,720
deserved it I don't know I

2748
02:08:34,880 --> 02:08:32,400
this is the first time I've ever seen

2749
02:08:38,420 --> 02:08:34,890
both all the cell coverage and the

2750
02:08:40,490 --> 02:08:38,430
internet go down I have no idea why I've

2751
02:08:43,370 --> 02:08:40,500
been just pulling my hair out I didn't

2752
02:08:44,980 --> 02:08:43,380
know what the hell to do so sorry about

2753
02:08:48,140 --> 02:08:44,990
that I'm back Michael

2754
02:08:49,760 --> 02:08:48,150
rosemary please accept my apologies I

2755
02:08:51,890 --> 02:08:49,770
was really looking forward to doing the

2756
02:08:54,350 --> 02:08:51,900
show we're glad to have you back at

2757
02:08:57,620 --> 02:08:54,360
least for this portion yes absolutely

2758
02:09:00,080 --> 02:08:57,630
Chris yeah I'm really sorry you guys man

2759
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,090
that's what I get for living out in the

2760
02:09:04,670 --> 02:09:02,400
boondocks well you see here the other

2761
02:09:07,640 --> 02:09:04,680
week we had problem with the version of

2762
02:09:09,500 --> 02:09:07,650
Skype that Chris was using and must be

2763
02:09:11,300 --> 02:09:09,510
the Microsoft people who don't like the

2764
02:09:14,390 --> 02:09:11,310
fact that he's used to Mac but so if I

2765
02:09:16,270 --> 02:09:14,400
and I can run Windows on mine and I do

2766
02:09:19,130 --> 02:09:16,280
sometimes so that's really paying

2767
02:09:21,290 --> 02:09:19,140
respect to the gods at Microsoft that's

2768
02:09:23,660 --> 02:09:21,300
it you know I want to ask you about this

2769
02:09:26,420 --> 02:09:23,670
one rosemary and it could be either you

2770
02:09:28,580 --> 02:09:26,430
or Michael this story I've always had

2771
02:09:31,220 --> 02:09:28,590
problems with so-called fortune-telling

2772
02:09:33,470 --> 02:09:31,230
predicting the future and you've got an

2773
02:09:35,540 --> 02:09:33,480
article here called the fortune teller

2774
02:09:41,900 --> 02:09:35,550
in the book and who wants to take that

2775
02:09:45,050 --> 02:09:41,910
one well Michael why don't you it's the

2776
02:09:51,590 --> 02:09:45,060
one in predictions and fate Gene long

2777
02:09:53,690 --> 02:09:51,600
yeah well maybe we'll take one of the

2778
02:09:55,400 --> 02:09:53,700
other ones that was the one where the

2779
02:09:57,980 --> 02:09:55,410
woman was told she was going to meet an

2780
02:10:01,880 --> 02:09:57,990
interesting man on her travels and she

2781
02:10:04,520 --> 02:10:01,890
is right and it's just interesting when

2782
02:10:07,460 --> 02:10:04,530
fortune tellers make very specific

2783
02:10:09,860 --> 02:10:07,470
predictions we have Jean we have

2784
02:10:13,370 --> 02:10:09,870
rosemary we have Michael and after the

2785
02:10:15,650 --> 02:10:13,380
rain left or this winds and all the

2786
02:10:20,180 --> 02:10:15,660
inclement weather we have Chris you're

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02:10:20,190 --> 02:10:29,100
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so listeners in case you're wondering

2889
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what happened to Chris whether intervene

2890
02:15:07,100 --> 02:15:03,570
knocked out his cell towers knocked down

2891
02:15:08,210 --> 02:15:07,110
his internet it was you know whatever it

2892
02:15:10,310 --> 02:15:08,220
could happen happened

2893
02:15:12,470 --> 02:15:10,320
we have rosemary ellen guiley Michael

2894
02:15:17,090 --> 02:15:12,480
Brian and we're gonna talk about the

2895
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fortune tell her Michael yes okay so in

2896
02:15:22,910 --> 02:15:19,860
this particular case a series of the

2897
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events for the three people in the three

2898
02:15:29,390 --> 02:15:26,220
stories we have that are similar had all

2899
02:15:32,240 --> 02:15:29,400
been fairly specific predictions and the

2900
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people who were at the receiving end of

2901
02:15:37,940 --> 02:15:35,460
these predictions swear that that these

2902
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:37,950
came true exactly as predicted but

2903
02:15:43,400 --> 02:15:39,810
there's one story in particular that I'm

2904
02:15:45,740 --> 02:15:43,410
just totally amazed with and this takes

2905
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:45,750
place a little more exotic location this

2906
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:50,010
was in Turkey these were diplomats with

2907
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the US government at one point there and

2908
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there was a meeting where the diplomatic

2909
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officers had a luncheon mainly the men

2910
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of the families and the wives had a

2911
02:16:07,250 --> 02:16:05,610
luncheon and there was at a very good

2912
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Turkish restaurant I think it was

2913
02:16:14,300 --> 02:16:10,080
Istanbul or Ankara I'm not sure they had

2914
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,310
a guest a woman of gypsy descent who

2915
02:16:19,850 --> 02:16:16,560
proceeded around the table with the

2916
02:16:22,550 --> 02:16:19,860
women and looked at their hands took

2917
02:16:24,590 --> 02:16:22,560
their hands and read their hands and

2918
02:16:27,350 --> 02:16:24,600
made little predictions and then moved

2919
02:16:31,580 --> 02:16:27,360
on to the next person but what was odd

2920
02:16:35,600 --> 02:16:31,590
was there was one woman that the lady

2921
02:16:39,169 --> 02:16:35,610
took her hand said nothing and dropped

2922
02:16:41,720 --> 02:16:39,179
her hand and moved on and of course the

2923
02:16:44,629 --> 02:16:41,730
ladies there were not a little bit

2924
02:16:47,690 --> 02:16:44,639
discombobulated over it and they were

2925
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:47,700
saying well why why did you say

2926
02:16:52,190 --> 02:16:49,770
something about you know to this woman

2927
02:16:55,040 --> 02:16:52,200
about her name and the response simply

2928
02:16:58,790 --> 02:16:55,050
was as translated but there was nothing

2929
02:17:01,370 --> 02:16:58,800
there and according to this channel as

2930
02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:01,380
it was told to me that particular woman

2931
02:17:05,180 --> 02:17:04,170
passed away some two days later after

2932
02:17:09,350 --> 02:17:05,190
that

2933
02:17:12,290 --> 02:17:09,360
so maybe the fortune-teller did not want

2934
02:17:14,720 --> 02:17:12,300
to say negative events or maybe she was

2935
02:17:17,090 --> 02:17:14,730
looking ahead and simply did not see

2936
02:17:20,200 --> 02:17:17,100
anything for that particular person so

2937
02:17:23,480 --> 02:17:20,210
that was very bizarre very strange

2938
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:23,490
speakers concerning it certainly made

2939
02:17:30,680 --> 02:17:26,240
some of the ladies afraid to get

2940
02:17:32,840 --> 02:17:30,690
fortune-telling after that because they

2941
02:17:34,760 --> 02:17:32,850
were afraid that if they got passed over

2942
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:34,770
what if the fortune-teller

2943
02:17:39,740 --> 02:17:36,810
took their hand and said nothing and

2944
02:17:42,050 --> 02:17:39,750
dropped it were they going to die and so

2945
02:17:44,750 --> 02:17:42,060
it definitely had an impact on people

2946
02:17:50,830 --> 02:17:44,760
but she saw no future because the woman

2947
02:17:53,600 --> 02:17:50,840
was about to pass by personally I've had

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02:17:56,180 --> 02:17:53,610
experiences that were rather

2949
02:17:59,570 --> 02:17:56,190
disconcerting with so-called fortune

2950
02:18:01,930 --> 02:17:59,580
tellers I was a kid and this is in

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02:18:05,000 --> 02:18:01,940
Washington State and I went to a little

2952
02:18:07,240 --> 02:18:05,010
sort of a carnival and they had a you

2953
02:18:12,410 --> 02:18:07,250
know gypsy fortune-teller there and she

2954
02:18:17,120 --> 02:18:12,420
told me that I was a medieval Chinese

2955
02:18:18,500 --> 02:18:17,130
warlord or something and I thought I bet

2956
02:18:20,860 --> 02:18:18,510
you she tells that to all the little

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02:18:23,930 --> 02:18:20,870
boys you know I was what 12 or 13 and

2958
02:18:27,169 --> 02:18:23,940
and then years later when I lived in

2959
02:18:30,230 --> 02:18:27,179
Colorado I had a woman who was

2960
02:18:31,790 --> 02:18:30,240
supposedly a seer she was coming and

2961
02:18:36,290 --> 02:18:31,800
visiting her daughter who was a friend

2962
02:18:39,380 --> 02:18:36,300
friend of mine and she took me aside and

2963
02:18:40,970 --> 02:18:39,390
she looked at me and she started

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02:18:43,790 --> 02:18:40,980
mumbling something about how I was a

2965
02:18:46,640 --> 02:18:43,800
really nasty Chinese general in the

2966
02:18:49,100 --> 02:18:46,650
medieval China and that I had unfinished

2967
02:18:51,169 --> 02:18:49,110
business with my girlfriend and we were

2968
02:18:53,270 --> 02:18:51,179
gonna have some real problems I was

2969
02:18:56,540 --> 02:18:53,280
thinking of myself oh man here we go and

2970
02:18:58,760 --> 02:18:56,550
then I realized and remembered that I

2971
02:19:00,919 --> 02:18:58,770
had been told something very very

2972
02:19:04,580 --> 02:19:00,929
similar except without as much detail

2973
02:19:06,860 --> 02:19:04,590
years before when I was a kid and that

2974
02:19:08,419 --> 02:19:06,870
kind of well I'm not sure if it

2975
02:19:10,100 --> 02:19:08,429
impressed me but the APRI came out a

2976
02:19:11,780 --> 02:19:10,110
little bit and and sure enough my

2977
02:19:15,280 --> 02:19:11,790
relationship did not last much longer

2978
02:19:18,120 --> 02:19:15,290
with that with my girlfriend we like

2979
02:19:19,410 --> 02:19:18,130
turned into cats and dogs

2980
02:19:22,620 --> 02:19:19,420
so I don't know maybe there's something

2981
02:19:25,259 --> 02:19:22,630
to it you know coming from my own

2982
02:19:27,299 --> 02:19:25,269
personal experience you know it's kind

2983
02:19:29,690 --> 02:19:27,309
of hard to argue with with that you know

2984
02:19:33,900 --> 02:19:29,700
what are the odds let's put it that way

2985
02:19:36,629 --> 02:19:33,910
yeah yeah let's move on to one of my

2986
02:19:38,310 --> 02:19:36,639
favorite subjects synchronicity and got

2987
02:19:40,740 --> 02:19:38,320
a few stories here and I'll let you

2988
02:19:43,320 --> 02:19:40,750
folks choose rosemary what is your

2989
02:19:46,889 --> 02:19:43,330
favorite synchronicity tale from the

2990
02:19:56,090 --> 02:19:46,899
book well gosh most of the really good

2991
02:19:59,040 --> 02:19:56,100
ones are things that happen to Michael I

2992
02:20:02,460 --> 02:19:59,050
have many many synchronicities that I

2993
02:20:07,620 --> 02:20:02,470
would say if that's my one if you want

2994
02:20:10,350 --> 02:20:07,630
to call it a gift or not I have had the

2995
02:20:12,810 --> 02:20:10,360
normal dose of single synchronicities or

2996
02:20:14,940 --> 02:20:12,820
double ones you know running into people

2997
02:20:18,210 --> 02:20:14,950
constantly in their travels I had that a

2998
02:20:21,179 --> 02:20:18,220
lot but this one just beats tapes thanks

2999
02:20:22,860 --> 02:20:21,189
to Kate I was going to a Book Fair where

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02:20:24,450 --> 02:20:22,870
I was going to display my travel guide

3001
02:20:26,880 --> 02:20:24,460
Syria to sightseeing by public

3002
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transportation in New York City I was

3003
02:20:32,310 --> 02:20:29,770
living in Ashland Oregon so I got on

3004
02:20:34,020 --> 02:20:32,320
planes I went to Philadelphia to visit

3005
02:20:36,750 --> 02:20:34,030
my sister for a couple of days got on

3006
02:20:39,270 --> 02:20:36,760
the train to go to New York passed a

3007
02:20:41,850 --> 02:20:39,280
sign just happened to look out of my

3008
02:20:44,250 --> 02:20:41,860
train window and it's all signed Rahway

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02:20:46,290 --> 02:20:44,260
New Jersey and I thought to myself I

3010
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know somebody that was from Rahway New

3011
02:20:50,610 --> 02:20:48,640
Jersey a little bit of useless trivia

3012
02:20:53,730 --> 02:20:50,620
while you're wallowing away a couple of

3013
02:20:56,040 --> 02:20:53,740
hours on a train I get to this fair this

3014
02:20:59,160 --> 02:20:56,050
book there and I do that and then I head

3015
02:21:02,010 --> 02:20:59,170
back to Oregon and this was my arrival

3016
02:21:04,620 --> 02:21:02,020
was the end of May and then I returned

3017
02:21:07,350 --> 02:21:04,630
was the beginning of June and I picked

3018
02:21:09,780 --> 02:21:07,360
up two hemisphere magazines on the

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02:21:12,600 --> 02:21:09,790
United flights to look at them and so

3020
02:21:15,150 --> 02:21:12,610
later maybe ask United if they might

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02:21:17,040 --> 02:21:15,160
mention my Travel Guide series in it you

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02:21:19,650 --> 02:21:17,050
know normal thing to do so I get back

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02:21:21,929 --> 02:21:19,660
and I go to my counter and I look on my

3024
02:21:23,400 --> 02:21:21,939
counter and there is a big envelope I

3025
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:23,410
open it up and there's one of the

3026
02:21:28,380 --> 02:21:25,210
magazines that I picked up on the plane

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02:21:30,000 --> 02:21:28,390
and I open it up says see page 26

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02:21:32,400 --> 02:21:30,010
whatever and they

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02:21:35,360 --> 02:21:32,410
right up review of my travel guides I

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02:21:38,700 --> 02:21:35,370
mean how what are the chances of that

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02:21:40,920 --> 02:21:38,710
then I go upstairs to my office and I

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02:21:43,290 --> 02:21:40,930
look to see if have I gotten any orders

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02:21:45,750 --> 02:21:43,300
for these travel guides from around the

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02:21:47,429 --> 02:21:45,760
world somewhere I usually you know I

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02:21:50,550 --> 02:21:47,439
might get an order from Europe and I

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02:21:52,980 --> 02:21:50,560
once got one from Egypt and Mexico and

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02:21:58,519 --> 02:21:52,990
different parts of the US but here's an

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02:22:03,900 --> 02:22:01,380
order on the internet from Ashland

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02:22:06,540 --> 02:22:03,910
Oregon where I live so I'm following up

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02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:06,550
with this order and I call the people up

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02:22:10,440 --> 02:22:09,130
or I email them and I say I live right

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02:22:12,960 --> 02:22:10,450
around the corner from you would you

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02:22:14,849 --> 02:22:12,970
like me to deliver these or would you

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02:22:17,160 --> 02:22:14,859
like to pick them up it was so out of

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02:22:18,360 --> 02:22:17,170
the ordinary and they said Oh we'll come

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and pick it up because that'll

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02:22:23,070 --> 02:22:20,830
interesting llama ranch and respond and

3048
02:22:25,559 --> 02:22:23,080
then furthermore I'm looking at the name

3049
02:22:28,740 --> 02:22:25,569
of these people my god it was the same

3050
02:22:31,050 --> 02:22:28,750
name as a person I knew 42 years earlier

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02:22:33,030 --> 02:22:31,060
at Carnegie Tech where I went for a year

3052
02:22:36,150 --> 02:22:33,040
and that was his name

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02:22:38,849 --> 02:22:36,160
so I said oh come on you can't possibly

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02:22:42,300 --> 02:22:38,859
be this gen taken from Carnegie Mellon

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can you from 42 years ago I just thought

3056
02:22:47,370 --> 02:22:44,680
of you when I passed the sign going from

3057
02:22:50,010 --> 02:22:47,380
Philadelphia York he says I would be

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02:22:52,260 --> 02:22:50,020
that Jam shaken and so it was the same

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02:22:55,170 --> 02:22:52,270
person whose name I thought of when I

3060
02:22:57,420 --> 02:22:55,180
saw the sign going to New York and they

3061
02:22:59,820 --> 02:22:57,430
found about my travel guides by looking

3062
02:23:02,070 --> 02:22:59,830
at the hemisphere magazine so it was

3063
02:23:04,920 --> 02:23:02,080
like a quintuple synchronicity or active

3064
02:23:07,710 --> 02:23:04,930
wrapped up in one we had a reunion and

3065
02:23:10,070 --> 02:23:07,720
that was an interesting experience yeah

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02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:10,080
Carl Jung would I really like that one

3067
02:23:14,130 --> 02:23:12,970
that is just fascinating and like it -

3068
02:23:15,719 --> 02:23:14,140
one other thing is we have another

3069
02:23:18,750 --> 02:23:15,729
segment left and we could start with

3070
02:23:20,429 --> 02:23:18,760
this one deja vu which sometimes related

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to synchronicity as you might have

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noticed and past limes who has a good

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story to tell

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well we have some different perspectives

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in the book different kinds of stories

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02:23:36,990 --> 02:23:33,760
my favorite is titled deja vu and Samoa

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and I think this is how a lot of times

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people experience past life connections

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02:23:45,560 --> 02:23:42,851
it concerns a fellow who was

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in the military he was on a ship and

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they were passing American Samoa at

3082
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night and he had a strange feeling this

3083
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was during World War two he had a

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strange feeling of familiarity with it

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through the break here and then would

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pick up on that because that definitely

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is a good way to have a cliffhanger

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could set up for that rosemary ellen

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okay rosemary ellen guiley is going to

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tell us a story about deja vu

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please yes a man in the Marines in World

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islands in Samoa and has the strange

3209
02:29:19,020 --> 02:29:15,971
feeling that he knows them well that

3210
02:29:22,680 --> 02:29:19,030
he's been there before like maybe this

3211
02:29:24,750 --> 02:29:22,690
was an ancestral place of his now most

3212
02:29:26,881 --> 02:29:24,760
of his ancestors came from Ireland so

3213
02:29:28,860 --> 02:29:26,891
he's kind of confused by that didn't

3214
02:29:31,500 --> 02:29:28,870
have any Polynesian blood and him but

3215
02:29:34,080 --> 02:29:31,510
you don't have to have any racial blood

3216
02:29:37,350 --> 02:29:34,090
in you in the present to have had a past

3217
02:29:40,051 --> 02:29:37,360
life at some point in the past so he has

3218
02:29:42,841 --> 02:29:40,061
this feeling of intense familiarity and

3219
02:29:45,631 --> 02:29:42,851
then a few weeks later they're actually

3220
02:29:49,591 --> 02:29:45,641
in Western Samoa the ship lands and

3221
02:29:52,261 --> 02:29:49,601
they're doing various activities on the

3222
02:29:54,990 --> 02:29:52,271
island and he's out on a military

3223
02:29:57,301 --> 02:29:55,000
exercise he's with another guy and

3224
02:29:59,250 --> 02:29:57,311
they're pulling a mortar court down a

3225
02:30:01,261 --> 02:29:59,260
road that he's never been on but he

3226
02:30:03,330 --> 02:30:01,271
starts to feel that it's familiar again

3227
02:30:05,580 --> 02:30:03,340
and he tells the guy he's with I know

3228
02:30:10,470 --> 02:30:05,590
just what's around the corner he

3229
02:30:13,140 --> 02:30:10,480
describes a house in quite detail and lo

3230
02:30:15,750 --> 02:30:13,150
and behold there it is they round the

3231
02:30:17,580 --> 02:30:15,760
corner and there it is exactly as he

3232
02:30:19,500 --> 02:30:17,590
described so it was kind of spooky to

3233
02:30:20,461 --> 02:30:19,510
both of them you know they just sort of

3234
02:30:24,030 --> 02:30:20,471
let it go at that

3235
02:30:26,250 --> 02:30:24,040
he wanders for a long time why he had

3236
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:26,260
this knowledge of a place that he'd

3237
02:30:31,650 --> 02:30:29,290
never been now his explanation of this

3238
02:30:34,020 --> 02:30:31,660
was something that is a natural

3239
02:30:36,631 --> 02:30:34,030
explanation and that certainly skeptical

3240
02:30:38,370 --> 02:30:36,641
people would go to and he said well you

3241
02:30:40,680 --> 02:30:38,380
know when he was a kid he was fascinated

3242
02:30:42,631 --> 02:30:40,690
by the South Seas and he read a lot of

3243
02:30:44,640 --> 02:30:42,641
books about them and he would hang out

3244
02:30:46,290 --> 02:30:44,650
at a library and he looked at a lot of

3245
02:30:49,320 --> 02:30:46,300
photographs everything about the South

3246
02:30:51,961 --> 02:30:49,330
Seas just fascinated him and so he felt

3247
02:30:54,961 --> 02:30:51,971
that those early childhood memories had

3248
02:30:57,780 --> 02:30:54,971
been triggered up from some deep dark

3249
02:31:00,030 --> 02:30:57,790
vault by his actually being there and

3250
02:31:02,280 --> 02:31:00,040
even though it didn't quite explain why

3251
02:31:04,261 --> 02:31:02,290
he would know that road and then that

3252
02:31:06,870 --> 02:31:04,271
exact house on the road he thought well

3253
02:31:09,301 --> 02:31:06,880
a lot of these old shacks look similar

3254
02:31:11,380 --> 02:31:09,311
and maybe I just described what I

3255
02:31:14,530 --> 02:31:11,390
remembered from one of my photographs

3256
02:31:16,960 --> 02:31:14,540
how he passed it off my feeling was that

3257
02:31:19,300 --> 02:31:16,970
there was another explanation for this

3258
02:31:21,729 --> 02:31:19,310
and it probably was past life first of

3259
02:31:24,729 --> 02:31:21,739
all he had from the sudden familiarity

3260
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:24,739
with an unknown place the intense

3261
02:31:31,750 --> 02:31:27,050
interest in the South Seas in childhood

3262
02:31:34,889 --> 02:31:31,760
is often related to past life recall so

3263
02:31:39,309 --> 02:31:34,899
maybe he had the interest because of

3264
02:31:41,769 --> 02:31:39,319
past life memories that he was exploring

3265
02:31:44,620 --> 02:31:41,779
as a kid without really realizing what

3266
02:31:48,490 --> 02:31:44,630
he was doing I think that's a much more

3267
02:31:50,969 --> 02:31:48,500
logical explanation than just a set of

3268
02:31:55,030 --> 02:31:50,979
weird circumstances that came together

3269
02:31:57,219 --> 02:31:55,040
before we wrap up our segment if you had

3270
02:31:59,950 --> 02:31:57,229
one story to tell that we haven't told

3271
02:32:01,420 --> 02:31:59,960
already he rosemary or Michael which one

3272
02:32:03,969 --> 02:32:01,430
would you tell it's a story that's

3273
02:32:05,950 --> 02:32:03,979
leading in right to the book Jew

3274
02:32:09,010 --> 02:32:05,960
of course our series is a series of

3275
02:32:10,750 --> 02:32:09,020
books on them about experiences on the

3276
02:32:13,899 --> 02:32:10,760
road to strange and this this one's

3277
02:32:17,050 --> 02:32:13,909
forthcoming but not unrelated to other

3278
02:32:21,280 --> 02:32:17,060
stories told in this volume and that is

3279
02:32:25,210 --> 02:32:21,290
that we have a story of someone studying

3280
02:32:27,070 --> 02:32:25,220
a crop circle in England and having a

3281
02:32:29,500 --> 02:32:27,080
time slip and interesting time some

3282
02:32:35,250 --> 02:32:29,510
experience where he appears to have

3283
02:32:37,929 --> 02:32:35,260
stumbled into at the edge of a community

3284
02:32:41,380 --> 02:32:37,939
hundreds of years earlier in Britain and

3285
02:32:43,990 --> 02:32:41,390
he's all excited about this a little bit

3286
02:32:46,630 --> 02:32:44,000
cautious of course as anyone would not

3287
02:32:49,769 --> 02:32:46,640
wanting to measure too far into it but

3288
02:32:52,809 --> 02:32:49,779
he returns to get his friend who was

3289
02:32:55,389 --> 02:32:52,819
meditating in the crop circle and says

3290
02:32:58,059 --> 02:32:55,399
I'm so sorry I've been away for so long

3291
02:33:00,670 --> 02:32:58,069
like an hour it's no no you've only been

3292
02:33:03,910 --> 02:33:00,680
gone ten minutes so this experience took

3293
02:33:06,519 --> 02:33:03,920
place for Ron in this case for

3294
02:33:09,280 --> 02:33:06,529
apparently a long period of time and for

3295
02:33:12,849 --> 02:33:09,290
John for a short period of time and Ron

3296
02:33:15,580 --> 02:33:12,859
wants to get John take him back and they

3297
02:33:18,580 --> 02:33:15,590
head back in to where this was and

3298
02:33:20,380 --> 02:33:18,590
suddenly he had originally been on his

3299
02:33:22,780 --> 02:33:20,390
way back to his car to get film and

3300
02:33:24,330 --> 02:33:22,790
didn't find the car just stumbled into

3301
02:33:27,000 --> 02:33:24,340
this the edge of this commune

3302
02:33:29,969 --> 02:33:27,010
now he's taking John with him and they

3303
02:33:32,550 --> 02:33:29,979
go back and while they're at the car and

3304
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:32,560
he wasn't able to go back there and to

3305
02:33:37,319 --> 02:33:34,810
share that experience so that's just

3306
02:33:40,319 --> 02:33:37,329
another example and the next book of

3307
02:33:43,290 --> 02:33:40,329
course has things that that mimic the

3308
02:33:47,370 --> 02:33:43,300
paranormal experiences in book 1 with

3309
02:33:49,950 --> 02:33:47,380
other experiences of strangeness that

3310
02:33:53,250 --> 02:33:49,960
involve miss placement of space and time

3311
02:33:55,380 --> 02:33:53,260
so I'd say we have the dose of that one

3312
02:33:58,019 --> 02:33:55,390
in our book tell travel tells of the

3313
02:34:00,599 --> 02:33:58,029
paranormal it seems to be part and

3314
02:34:02,670 --> 02:34:00,609
parcel of the world of the strange in my

3315
02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:02,680
opinion raspberry what would you add

3316
02:34:07,979 --> 02:34:05,050
well certainly what the books

3317
02:34:10,639 --> 02:34:07,989
demonstrate is that we encounter the

3318
02:34:13,769 --> 02:34:10,649
unseen and unexplained all the time

3319
02:34:15,809 --> 02:34:13,779
usually without warning and unexpectedly

3320
02:34:19,019 --> 02:34:15,819
and it does have an impact on our lives

3321
02:34:21,240 --> 02:34:19,029
and as you pointed out Michael travel

3322
02:34:24,960 --> 02:34:21,250
really does open you up it opens you to

3323
02:34:27,630 --> 02:34:24,970
the new and exciting and so when we are

3324
02:34:30,030 --> 02:34:27,640
traveling whether it's just about our

3325
02:34:33,050 --> 02:34:30,040
daily affairs or taking an exciting trip

3326
02:34:36,780 --> 02:34:33,060
it's wise to have some extra sensitivity

3327
02:34:39,960 --> 02:34:36,790
to what these other realms may hold for

3328
02:34:44,389 --> 02:34:39,970
us as well as the natural world is this

3329
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:44,399
something that is forever consigned to

3330
02:34:50,580 --> 02:34:47,680
anecdotal stories or is this something

3331
02:34:53,010 --> 02:34:50,590
that maybe eventually eventually science

3332
02:34:54,569 --> 02:34:53,020
will look into and maybe have a better

3333
02:34:59,969 --> 02:34:54,579
understanding of what's going on in our

3334
02:35:03,210 --> 02:34:59,979
world first I would say science comes

3335
02:35:05,490 --> 02:35:03,220
around to the notion that consciousness

3336
02:35:08,519 --> 02:35:05,500
is involved to a much greater extent

3337
02:35:12,080 --> 02:35:08,529
than we have heretofore realized or

3338
02:35:16,559 --> 02:35:12,090
accepted then there goes a whole new

3339
02:35:18,840 --> 02:35:16,569
realm that opens up and we can ask good

3340
02:35:21,149 --> 02:35:18,850
questions in science and maybe we'll

3341
02:35:24,689 --> 02:35:21,159
have the methodology to get better

3342
02:35:27,420 --> 02:35:24,699
answers but if nothing else this path

3343
02:35:30,420 --> 02:35:27,430
that we are on the roads are strange I

3344
02:35:34,110 --> 02:35:30,430
like to say is that we are all headed

3345
02:35:37,679 --> 02:35:34,120
into this new future with

3346
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:37,689
of having better means to understanding

3347
02:35:43,349 --> 02:35:41,050
the huge aspect of experience that we

3348
02:35:46,410 --> 02:35:43,359
know so little about and can only pick

3349
02:35:47,040 --> 02:35:46,420
up at this point in anecdotal ways so

3350
02:35:49,290 --> 02:35:47,050
speak

3351
02:35:51,690 --> 02:35:49,300
well even evaluating the evidence is

3352
02:35:54,929 --> 02:35:51,700
problematic because the evidence is not

3353
02:35:57,480 --> 02:35:54,939
uniform in order for science to even

3354
02:35:59,610 --> 02:35:57,490
approach these topics a whole new set of

3355
02:36:01,770 --> 02:35:59,620
ground rules has to be developed and we

3356
02:36:05,070 --> 02:36:01,780
don't have those a long way to go in

3357
02:36:07,440 --> 02:36:05,080
that regard but in the meantime I think

3358
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:07,450
it's important to look at stories like

3359
02:36:12,270 --> 02:36:10,240
this we've heard from readers who have

3360
02:36:13,560 --> 02:36:12,280
really resonated with stories in the

3361
02:36:16,290 --> 02:36:13,570
book because similar things have

3362
02:36:18,599 --> 02:36:16,300
happened to them it provides validation

3363
02:36:21,270 --> 02:36:18,609
a lot of times people feel isolated in

3364
02:36:23,010 --> 02:36:21,280
their unusual experiences they might not

3365
02:36:24,929 --> 02:36:23,020
want to talk about it because of the

3366
02:36:28,010 --> 02:36:24,939
fear of ridicule unfortunately it's

3367
02:36:31,080 --> 02:36:28,020
still prevalent today and when they

3368
02:36:33,840 --> 02:36:31,090
learn of experiences similar to theirs

3369
02:36:36,179 --> 02:36:33,850
it's very validating and I think that

3370
02:36:39,000 --> 02:36:36,189
may be the biggest gift and truth there

3371
02:36:41,010 --> 02:36:39,010
is at the present time rosemary ellen

3372
02:36:42,900 --> 02:36:41,020
guiley for those who are very very

3373
02:36:44,940 --> 02:36:42,910
curious about what you do where should

3374
02:36:46,349 --> 02:36:44,950
they check out my main website is

3375
02:36:48,330 --> 02:36:46,359
visionary living.com

3376
02:36:50,639 --> 02:36:48,340
and in January I have a new website

3377
02:36:53,219 --> 02:36:50,649
coming out visionary living publishing I

3378
02:36:55,139 --> 02:36:53,229
publish books on the paranormal and

3379
02:36:58,260 --> 02:36:55,149
related topics so that's a whole new

3380
02:37:02,280 --> 02:36:58,270
venture congratulations on it Michael

3381
02:37:04,980 --> 02:37:02,290
you have a website yeah it's ww Michael

3382
02:37:08,490 --> 02:37:04,990
Bryan comm and my last name is spelled B

3383
02:37:11,969 --> 02:37:08,500
or e I am and there I talk mainly about

3384
02:37:14,310 --> 02:37:11,979
Javal psychology and starts of

3385
02:37:17,070 --> 02:37:14,320
involvement I've had in this whole field

3386
02:37:20,520 --> 02:37:17,080
in case anyone's interested you can find

3387
02:37:22,980 --> 02:37:20,530
us on Twitter if you look for the power

3388
02:37:26,610 --> 02:37:22,990
cast on Twitter and now you have 288

3389
02:37:29,280 --> 02:37:26,620
characters instead of 144 so you can

3390
02:37:31,889 --> 02:37:29,290
annoy us twice as much or make us happy

3391
02:37:33,480 --> 02:37:31,899
twice as quickly or twice as often or

3392
02:37:36,360 --> 02:37:33,490
something like that double the fun

3393
02:37:39,450 --> 02:37:36,370
how's that also we're on Facebook -

3394
02:37:42,210 --> 02:37:39,460
official power cast fan clubs there we

3395
02:37:45,880 --> 02:37:42,220
also have Chris's site our strange

3396
02:37:48,219 --> 02:37:45,890
planet calm and it's on a server that is

3397
02:37:50,559 --> 02:37:48,229
not impacted by the wind so no matter

3398
02:37:53,170 --> 02:37:50,569
what happens at his home that server

3399
02:37:55,300 --> 02:37:53,180
doesn't go offline I hope maybe I'm

3400
02:38:02,229 --> 02:37:55,310
challenging the powers that be there

3401
02:38:04,090 --> 02:38:02,239
don't go there you also check out after

3402
02:38:06,399 --> 02:38:04,100
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3403
02:38:08,800 --> 02:38:06,409
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3404
02:38:11,439 --> 02:38:08,810
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3405
02:38:14,410 --> 02:38:11,449
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3406
02:38:16,780 --> 02:38:14,420
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3407
02:38:19,809 --> 02:38:16,790
Bishop we had somebody who live in Aztec

3408
02:38:22,030 --> 02:38:19,819
New Mexico in 1948 and can tell you

3409
02:38:24,280 --> 02:38:22,040
nothing happened there even though they

3410
02:38:26,139 --> 02:38:24,290
claim the UFO crash there all that kind

3411
02:38:28,240 --> 02:38:26,149
of stuff go to plus doc the power cast

3412
02:38:30,910 --> 02:38:28,250
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3413
02:38:33,849 --> 02:38:30,920
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3414
02:38:35,410 --> 02:38:33,859
power cast calm Michael Bryan rosemary

3415
02:38:38,019 --> 02:38:35,420
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3416
02:38:39,969 --> 02:38:38,029
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3417
02:38:53,570 --> 02:38:39,979
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02:38:58,620 --> 02:38:56,820
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